D&D (2024) What is your oppinion of 5.24 so far?

[UngeheuerLich]

With a scale of only 1 thru 5, I just don't see the 1s or 5s having an outsized impact. It's not like we're looking at a dozen values that between 1 and 1,000. Taking the median when you have millions of responses does not mean you ignore all the results between 2 and 4 any more than if you had used the average.

I also haven't seen a quote that said they used the median, although I could have missed it. Sometimes you want to use the median, sometimes you want to use the average for analysis, neither is preferable. Since I'm not a statistician I have no clue which one is best.

But I would assume that with spending as much money as they did on the survey, they did discuss the analysis of the results with someone who actually knew what they were talking about. Not just a bunch of second guessing Monday morning quarterbacks who don't really know the details of their internal analysis.

And even if they used the median, every value above the mid value has a chance to raise the median, every rating that is lower has a chance to lower it.

But I am really still not getting, how you get to a median with a 5 star rating that has more than 5 possible values (ignoring the low chance that the list is even and the median lies between two star ratings. In that case, add 4 more possible very rare values).

 

[Micah Sweet]

Wgere did you get the impression that only 1's and 5's were count? That is a conspiracy theory, not more.
They might as well have a satisfactory facto for each answer (0 for 1 star, 1 for 5 star, which we seem to agree to, and against your believe most probably some factors for 2 to 4...)

Again. Where is your source?

Previous post suggested it.

 

[mellored]

Do they state anywhere that they don't care about any ratings that aren't ones and fives, and they assume you live or hate everything about a question unless you add a detailed written note?

Five point scales are meaningless if you ignore 2-4.

Standard procedure it to count 4/5 as positive, and 1/2 as negative.
And ignore 3.

Alternatively just average the results.

But it depends on what your looking for.

 

[Marandahir]

I like it. I was very worried that I wouldn't like the Bard but I like it. Going to adopt it, but might still houserule a few things like Spell Points instead of Spell Slots for the Sorcerer.

 

[Micah Sweet]

yes, that is my conclusion, if you want something to survive, definitely vote 5, no matter how flawed the proposed form is. If you want it gone, vote 1. If you do not care, why even fill out the question. So vote 1 or 5 and focus on stuff that matters to you.

I assume this is very different from how most people actually fill out the poll however. I assume most people see 5 as 'great', 4 as 'I am for it, but it could be better', 3 as 'I do not really care either way', and 1 and 2 are 'I do not like this' to varying degrees.

I expect most votes of 4 to mean 'I like it, but I want improvements', and yet you have it as 'a vote of undesirability'. You are probably correct that it gets interpreted that way by WotC given the results, but I don't think most people understand that and vote that way, and that is my problem with the approach.

This what I was talking about @UngeheuerLich

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Previous post suggested it.

So indeed conspiracy theory.

 

[Oofta]

And even if they used the median, every value above the mid value has a chance to raise the median, every rating that is lower has a chance to lower it.

But I am really still not getting, how you get to a median with a 5 star rating that has more than 5 possible values (ignoring the low chance that the list is even and the median lies between two star ratings. In that case, add 4 more possible very rare values).

Well, like you just said we really don't know how they evaluated. We obviously got the dumbed down for general consumption answer with the 70% threshold.

My point was that this assumption that voting anything other than 1 or 5 is ignored has no basis. Will a 1 or a 5 have more impact? I assume so, no matter what method you choose. For example there may have been times they dove a bit more into numbers for responses that were borderline. We just don't know.

 

[mamba]

With a scale of only 1 thru 5, I just don't see the 1s or 5s having an outsized impact. It's not like we're looking at a dozen values that between 1 and 1,000. Taking the median when you have millions of responses does not mean you ignore all the results between 2 and 4 any more than if you had used the average.

it's not about an outsized impact, it's about eliminating the misunderstanding between the one casting the vote and WotC's interpretation of the vote

 

[Oofta]

it's not about an outsized impact, it's about eliminating the misunderstanding between the one casting the vote and WotC's interpretation of the vote

So you have access to their analysis method details? Please share! If not, seems to me you're just assuming incompetence or some weird nefarious attitude.

 

[Micah Sweet]

So indeed conspiracy theory.

Pretty sure this thread is all about opinions and speculation.