D&D 4E Women in 4E

[SteveC]

Compare against the hottest halfling to hit the handbooks:

Yeah...

Cheers, -- N

You know, as I've read this thread, I think I understand the complaints less over time. The artwork in the Core Rulebooks in 3E was actually very tame. Lidda was cute and all, but hardly cheesecake. The art from the first page was used in old issues of Dragon magazine (at least one of the pieces was) which is hardly the sort of thing that's going to draw away anyone from the game. I would contend that the iconic characters largely are professional and dynamic characters and not cheesecake.

I seriously doubt that the 4E Core will be significantly different.

--Steve

 

[Aloïsius]

Now, I am ignoring one thing: leather armor. Because I'm not sure exactly how leather armor is supposed to work. What constitutes leather armor? A leather jacket and chaps? Hardened leather? What? I don't know what leather armor looks like, and really what function it has at all. So I'm ignoring Leather Armor as "Don't wear this while exposing skin".

It protect at least all your chest. padded armor are of the same kind : http://www.branche-rouge.org/Members/Aed/fichiers-articles/gambison-akheton-xiieme/gambison4.jpg

 

[Rechan]

Compare these two pictures:

Does the one on the left take anything away from the picture?

Does the one on the right add anything to the picture?

 

[Rechan]

However, in D&D world you are often fighting monsters with natural attacks (claw, bite, wing slap, etc.) and constrict or grapple attacks. Depending on the type of campaign you're in, you may be fighting such creatures far more often than you fight armed opponents with steel weapons. When fighting a constrictor or natural attacker, spiked armor suddently because a huge asset, because the creature cannot grapple you without tearing itself to ribbons as well (at least, that's how I've always played - I can't recall if that's the RAW).

This may be true, but it sometimes looks ludicrous, and just hazardous to you if you walk through a doorway. Imagine trying to take that off safely, or walking behind her in a corridor with traps or something that could run into her.

It protect at least all your chest. padded armor are of the same kind : http://www.branche-rouge.org/Members/Aed/fichiers-articles/gambison-akheton-xiieme/gambison4.jpg

So it's basically padding, or at least to eat a little bit of the force of a blow. So I suppose you could have leather swimsuits (although it'd likely have a higher collar) that could function. I also expect something like a thigh-wrap - wind it around the femoral artery, but you still might have skin anywhere the band on the thigh isn't.

 

[Nifft]

You know, as I've read this thread, I think I understand the complaints less over time. The artwork in the Core Rulebooks in 3E was actually very tame. [...] I would contend that the iconic characters largely are professional and dynamic characters and not cheesecake.

That's actually my point.

The chicks* in the PHB were pretty conservatively dressed, particularly compared to Boogie-Woogie Buckle Boy.

My point is that if you're going after artists for drawing cheesy clothes on females, be sure you're not going after people who draw cheesier clothes on males.

Cheers, -- N

*) Calling them "women" would be an insult to the non-Humans.

 

[DandD]

That's only relevant if you can show that men's outfits somehow "make sense".

I think we can safely say that some do, and some do not.

Notice that this is Henneth, a Sorceror, a guy belonging to a class who doesn't wear armour anyway... And who wears leather-belts for the sake of extravagancy.
The only other magic-type person who I know to wear leather-belts is Lulu from Final Fantasy X. And we all know that she's a gothic-lolita type, fighting with cute stuffed animals, making her more extravagant than Henneth, the Sorceror...

 

[Masquerade]

This may be true, but it sometimes looks ludicrous, and just hazardous to you if you walk through a doorway.

I happen to like that one, actually. That armor is utterly mundane compared the designs in some of the WH40k art I've seen.

The only other magic-type person who I know to wear leather-belts is Lulu from Final Fantasy X. And we all know that she's a gothic-lolita type, fighting with cute stuffed animals, making her more extravagant than Henneth, the Sorceror...

Huh? I don't see Lulu as gothic lolita at all.

 

[Rechan]

You know, as I've read this thread, I think I understand the complaints less over time. The artwork in the Core Rulebooks in 3E was actually very tame. Lidda was cute and all, but hardly cheesecake. The art from the first page was used in old issues of Dragon magazine (at least one of the pieces was) which is hardly the sort of thing that's going to draw away anyone from the game. I would contend that the iconic characters largely are professional and dynamic characters and not cheesecake.

Uh, Steve?

In the Races Chapter, there's a picture that shows a female version of all the races in nothing but their bra and pants.

Yeah, the next page has men bare chested or in shirts, but that's not intented to tittilate.

 

[GSHamster]

You know, as I've read this thread, I think I understand the complaints less over time. The artwork in the Core Rulebooks in 3E was actually very tame. Lidda was cute and all, but hardly cheesecake. The art from the first page was used in old issues of Dragon magazine (at least one of the pieces was) which is hardly the sort of thing that's going to draw away anyone from the game. I would contend that the iconic characters largely are professional and dynamic characters and not cheesecake.

I seriously doubt that the 4E Core will be significantly different.

I think that's the point. 3E did a good job. However, the cover of the 4E PHB seems a reversion to the old cheesecake style. Specifically it shows a female fighter in plate armor that exposes a lot of skin that shouldn't be exposed by armor.

 

[Moon-Lancer]

...

well I was born in 1981, so i don't think you need to be 60 years old to have the kind of feelings i have to the old masters of fantasy art.