Would you allow a medium creature to take exotic weapon prof.: large bastard sword?

Would you allow a medium creature to take exotic weapon prof.: large bastard sword?


frankthedm

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Would you allow a medium creature to take exotic weapon proficiency, large bastard sword?
And would you scale the bastard sword STR requirement with size?

A monster that goes from medium to large usually has a +8 to STR, so I could see a Large bastard sword requiring a 21 STR to wield.

The character has to wield it in two hands and would still suffer -2 since the weapon is the wrong size. That actually puts the character behind slightly on the damage curve. The Greatswords 2d6 +4[2 point power attack], 11 average, is a bit more average damage than large bastard's 2d8, 9 average.

Sword, Bastard
A bastard sword is too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon.

Sword, bastard Medium 35gp 1d10 damage 19-20/×2 crit 6 lb. Slashing

Sword, bastard Large 75gp 2d8 damage 19-20/×2 crit 12 lb. Slashing

a weapon’s size category is keyed to the size of the intended wielder. In general, a light weapon is an object two size categories smaller than the wielder, a one-handed weapon is an object one size category smaller than the wielder, and a two-handed weapon is an object of the same size category as the wielder.

Inappropriately Sized Weapons
A creature can’t make optimum use of a weapon that isn’t properly sized for it. A cumulative -2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn’t proficient with the weapon a -4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.
The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder’s size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. If a weapon’s designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can’t wield the weapon at all.

Exotic Weapon Proficiency [General]
Choose a type of exotic weapon. You understand how to use that type of exotic weapon in combat.
Prerequisite
Base attack bonus +1 (plus Str 13 for bastard sword or dwarven waraxe).
Benefit
You make attack rolls with the weapon normally.
Normal
A character who uses a weapon with which he or she is not proficient takes a -4 penalty on attack rolls.
Special
You can gain Exotic Weapon Proficiency multiple times. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of exotic weapon. Proficiency with the bastard sword or the dwarven waraxe has an additional prerequisite of Str 13.
A fighter may select Exotic Weapon Proficiency as one of his fighter bonus feats.
 

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frankthedm said:
Would you allow a medium creature to take exotic weapon proficiency, large bastard sword?
I don't think it even needs EWP "large" bastard sword. I think RAW (and I would allow) a character who has Exotic Weapon Proficiency (bastard sword) could freely use a large one in two hands.
 

I don't think I understand. Would you require a medium character with MWP: longsword (or all MWP as a class feature) to take MWP: large longsword, else suffer a -4 non-proficiency penalty (in addition to the -2 for using an oversized weapon) when using a large longsword? If not, then why would you require a separate proficiency for the large bastard sword? If the character has EWP: bastard sword, then he can use the large bastard sword in two hands with the -2 penalty, as with any oversized weapon.
 

MatthewJHanson said:
I don't think it even needs EWP "large" bastard sword. I think RAW (and I would allow) a character who has Exotic Weapon Proficiency (bastard sword) could freely use a large one in two hands.

I agree.

Though the FAQ doesn't - it claims that while the bastard sword is listed as a one-handed weapon, it's really a two-handed weapon (!?):

The bastard sword, lance, and dwarven waraxe are all twohanded
weapons that can be used in one hand under the correct
circumstances (the bastard sword and dwarven waraxe are
shown on Table 7–5 as one-handed exotic weapons, but they’re
really two-handed weapons). Treat all three of these weapons
as two-handed weapons when determining who can use them
and how. For example, a Small character cannot use a lance or
bastard sword made for a Medium creature, even when
mounted (in the case of a lance) or when the Small character
has the Exotic Weapon Proficiency (bastard sword) feat. (This
reverses the advice the Sage gave about bastard swords and
Small characters in earlier FAQs.)


Now, I agree that a Small creature cannot use a Medium lance, even while mounted - it's a two-handed weapon designed for a creature one size larger, so it will become a weapon that is not light, one-handed, or two-handed, and thus cannot be used.

But "The table says... but really..." is bollocks.

-Hyp.
 
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Isn’t this just a full blade in arms and eq? Everyone allows monkey grip right? this feat is more then monkey grip. You have to use a Great sword as your over sized weapon, not just any old oversized weapon. People say it should have a -2 because it’s not your size to wield, well wtf? You take the feat so it’s not a burden to wield. Should one take a -2 on all exotic weapons? If the numbers line up, meaning all damage penalties that the spiked chain gets (inherent to its design) equals 3d6 or 2d8, its not really a problem is it? What I mean is, take a spiked chain, take away its reach, take away its trip ability and take a way its +2 to disarm. How much damage is that worth? If its 2d8 (over sized bastard sword: full blade damage equivalent in arms and eq) or 3d6 (oversized great sword: full blade updated to 3.5)

However I think it should only be usable for med sized characters that wield med sized weapons because the size ratio’s damage can get out of control quick.
 

Moon-Lancer said:
Isn’t this just a full blade in arms and eq?

I would say that - as long as we ignore the FAQ answer - that the 3E Fullblade should be represented in 3.5 as a Large bastard sword.

So a Medium creature can take EWP (Bastard Sword) and wield a 2d8 19-20 slashing weapon in two hands, while a Large creature can take the same feat and wield it in one hand. Almost identical to the Fullblade... the only difference being that in 3.5, the Medium creature takes a -2 for inappropriate size.

In combination with Monkey Grip, the Medium creature with EWP could wield the Large Bastard Sword in one hand (still at -2). With Monkey Grip but not EWP, he could wield it in two hands (treating it as a martial weapon), still at -2... though he'd be better off using the Large Greatsword in this case, from a damage perspective.

-Hyp.
 

I'd vote "No, because EWP doens't specify Small/Medium/Large weapons" but that option isn't present. It's EWP: Bastard Sword.
 

yeah, its silly. think a about it. average damage for a greatsword is 7 points (using 3.5 damage per a d6) a 2d8 weapon does 9 points of damage. who in thier right mind would take a feat to do that and to take a -2 on the attack as well.

a -2 on attack for +2 on damage seems already an equal trade off. But on top of that your loosing a feat.


so a oversized great sword would be 3d6 with an average of 10.5 points of damage. really thats a feat thats worth it.

I can remember wear i read this, but using a oversized greatsword at a -2 attack does less damage then a normal great sword power attacking for a -2. So in the end its Worthless to take a feat to get 3d6 damage at a -2 attack. your doing less damage and you loose a feat. Maybe attacking at a -1 or at no panalty it would be a worthwhile feat though.


power attacking great sword -2 = 11 points of damage
oversided great sword with -2 panelty = 10.5 points of damage

power attacking great sword -1 = 9 points of damage
oversided great sword with -1 panelty = 10.5 points of damage

so yeah silly. no -2 on oversized weapon. THE MATH SPEAKS!!!!! :)
 

No; Monkey Grip and EWP (Bastard Sword) is the combo you need to pull this off. I don't believe there is any such thing as "EWP (Large Bastard Sword)".
 


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