D&D 5E Zard's S Tier Archetypes

[Charlaquin]

Tell me again how your tone isn't elitist in nature? Or...can you really not see that choosing as a "fair comparison" to compare people to an uneducated political group (a group which in particular is on the outs at the moment) is a "fair comparison"?

I’m not comparing people who haven’t heard of the term “S tier” to uneducated conservatives. I’m comparing myself to @dave2008 ’s wife, in that we both assumed our on experience was the norm, despite actually being in the minority.

 

[dave2008]

Yeah, saying “I don’t play video games” is a bit like saying “I don’t watch TV.” Like, ok, I can totally respect that choice, but it seems strange to me that you would want to isolate yourself from an entire form of media that’s pretty nearly ubiquitously, at least in the US.

Well I don't play videogames and technically haven't own a TV in years. SO I guess I am pretty rare!

However, with subscriptions to netflix, hbomax, amazon prime, and disney+ at my disposal I can't realistically say I don't watch TV anymore! Though I did miss out on things like the bigbang theory and similar serial shows for lack of a TV.

 

[Mistwell]

Did you not seem my foot note:

"*just want to be clear, I am not saying conservative opinions are uneducated. I am saying the opinions of someone who is both uneducated and conservative."

I was not claiming conservative people are uneducated. know very well that is the case. I was specifically talking about a group that is two steps different from my general associates. People who are both conservative and uneducated tend have different experiences and viewpoints from my wife and me.

Furthermore, I don't presume some superiority of either group. It was about a difference of experience, not an issue of superiority or elitism.

Yes I saw your footnote and my response wasn't about that issue.

When a topic of being a snob or elitist comes up, and you just happen to coincidentally choose "uneducated" and "socially out group" as your comparisons, I don't think it's pure coincidence. Or if it is coincidence, it's a kinda reckless or negligent choice of comparison. It's not like you said "My wife was surprised some people had never tried kumquats" which would have been neutral in judgement. Come on man, you had to at least know "uneducated" would not come across as judgement-neutral in tone in a forum like this, right?

 

[Mistwell]

I’m not comparing people who haven’t heard of the term “S tier” to uneducated conservatives. I’m comparing myself to @dave2008 ’s wife, in that we both assumed our on experience was the norm, despite actually being in the minority.

Fair enough. Sorry for my misconstruing your comment.

 

[dave2008]

Nobody said "I don't play video games" and that's a strawman.

The Tier system isn't applicable to MOST video games.

I said that in this thread, but qualified that I haven't played since the 80s

 

[dave2008]

Yes I saw your footnote and my response wasn't about that issue.

When a topic of being a snob or elitist comes up, and you just happen to coincidentally choose "uneducated" and "socially out group" as your comparisons, I don't think it's pure coincidence. Or if it is coincidence, it's a kinda reckless or negligent choice of comparison. It's not like you said "My wife was surprised some people had never tried kumquats" which would have been neutral in judgement. Come on man, you had to at least know "uneducated" would not come across as judgement-neutral in tone in a forum like this, right?

I did, that is why I tried to explain / clarify. It was not an example I made up, I was relating an actually occurrence that has come up more than once. I guess I could have made something up, it is just easier to tell the truth.

 

[Charlaquin]

Nobody said "I don't play video games" and that's a strawman.

@dave2008, the person I was talking to, literally said they don’t play video games. And I’m not strawmanning anyone, I’m not even making an argument here.

The Tier system isn't applicable to MOST video games.

It isn’t applicable to political ideologies either, but that’s still a thing I’ve seen. Tier lists are a huge thing, and I found the idea that “most people don’t know what S tier means” incredible (as in the literal sense of lacking credibility) because in fact, a ton of people do know exactly what it means. I, like @dave2008 ’s wife, made the mistake of assuming my experience was more ubiquitous than it was, and quickly corrected myself with a humorous and self-deprecating “I stand corrected.” You’re the one who’s harping on about me being elitist.

 

[Charlaquin]

Well I don't play videogames and technically haven't own a TV in years. SO I guess I am pretty rare!

However, with subscriptions to netflix, hbomax, amazon prime, and disney+ at my disposal I can't realistically say I don't watch TV anymore! Though I did miss out on things like the bigbang theory and similar serial shows for lack of a TV.

Oh, yeah, I generally lump streaming services and movies in with “TV”

 

[dave2008]

Oh, yeah, I generally lump streaming services and movies in with “TV”

Yep, me too.

It was true for me at one time (no TV), but that was only for a few years before streaming service became more accessible.

 

[TwoSix]

It's not all, or even most, video games where that tier system comes up. It's limited to games where 1) you play a particular character, and 2) your choice of character is among many choices, and 3) some character choices are considered inherently more powerful than other choices, while others are considered average, and still others are considered weaker than other choices.

That's a subset of a subset of video games.

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole too much because it really, REALLY, isn't that important, but I've seen the letter-tier system used to rank dungeon difficulty or the viability of specs in WoW, the best aesthetic skins in Fortnite, and the various characters for each role in LoL, which are the 3 most popular games streamed on Twitch. The concept isn't so ubiquitous that it's impossible to avoid, but I was first exposed to it back in the 90s, and I've only seen it in more and more places over the past decade or so.

Really, it isn't so much a system as much as "getting an S rank" or "being S tier" is simply a commonly utilized piece of video game jargon.