D&D (2024) 48 Subclasses: 4 per Class

[Vaalingrade]

I would give someone else's first born for Champion to not make the cut in favor of something like Echo Knight or something entirely new.

 

[Charlaquin]

Cleric, in light of the new playtest:

Divine Order allows any cleric to choose between a frontline option, a knowledge option, and spell option.
I think this will eliminate the War Domain and the Knowledge domain.

So what would the four be? Light and Life seem certain. Of the PHB options, Trickery, Tempest, and Nature remain.

Of those, I suspect they would drop Nature (letting it fall to Druids), But what I'd really like? Would be if they brought in Order (with its tie to enchantment spells) and Twilight (as a counterpoint to Life).

That’s a good point.

 

[Charlaquin]

I would give someone else's first born for Champion to not make the cut in favor of something like Echo Knight or something entirely new.

I think it’s pretty much a sure thing that there will be a “simple fighter” subclass, and it might be called Champion. But I expect it will be revised from the 2014 PHB Champion, which just fails to keep up in damage output, even under ideal conditions.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I think it’s pretty much a sure thing that there will be a “simple fighter” subclass, and it might be called Champion. But I expect it will be revised from the 2014 PHB Champion, which just fails to keep up in damage output, even under ideal conditions.

My fear is that 'damage output' will continue to be the only scoring rubric.

Also that the 'simple fighter' will once again create a design ceiling for what the class can do.

 

[Clint_L]

4 seems way too low,
unless they somehow reduce schools(s) wizards and cleric domains.

Keep in mind that OneD&D doesn't invalidate the other 5e sourcebooks, so unless they are one of the ones chosen for updating in the new PHB you can still roll a Mercy Monk, Echo Knight, Gloomstalker Ranger, etc. using the relevant source book. You can also just use the ones from the 2014 PHB if you prefer. We aren't losing subclasses.

 

[dave2008]

Jeremy Crawford revealed in a recent video on playtest feedback that there will be 48 subclasses in the 1D&D PHB: 4 per class.

It's time to speculate.

ETA: This thread may get more traction if I began speculating so people could come tell me how I was wrong.

FYI, they mentioned the 48 subclasses way back at the start of the playtest. The first or 2nd video.

 

[Aldarc]

FYI, they mentioned the 48 subclasses way back at the start of the playtest. The first or 2nd video.

I recall that but not the whole 4 per class aspect of it.

 

[dave2008]

I recall that but not the whole 4 per class aspect of it.

I believe that was part of it, or maybe I just speculated it was 4 per class back when it was announced previously.

 

[Charlaquin]

I believe that was part of it, or maybe I just speculated it was 4 per class back when it was announced previously.

I think they only said 48 total at the time and we speculated 4 per class, which they confirmed in this latest round.

 

[Kobold Stew]

Keep in mind that OneD&D doesn't invalidate the other 5e sourcebooks, so unless they are one of the ones chosen for updating in the new PHB you can still roll a Mercy Monk, Echo Knight, Gloomstalker Ranger, etc. using the relevant source book. You can also just use the ones from the 2014 PHB if you prefer. We aren't losing subclasses.

If the approach to classes we have seen in the playtests is representative, and I suspect it is, this is not straightforwardly true.

a 5e cleric sublcass does not integrate with the new cleric, for example -- the old sourcebooks will still be "valid" for characters made with the old PHB, but they won't integrate without at least some discussion at the table and DM approval, with the new versions.