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Rules that stop a significant number of annoyances and/or problematic playstyles are still useful even if they can't stop you from freaking out and flipping over the game board. YMMV.

But much like ... um ... content moderation .... this is a topic that's pretty well-known and discussed even outside of TTRPG circles.

Wait ... did I say "even outside ...." I meant ESPECIALLY OUTSIDE! ;)

All rules can have a salutary effect. Like, you know, the many, many, many rules in football. But rules are not costless. This is a fundamental dynamic that is always at play.

So yes, you can always add more rules to stop annoyances and/or problematic playstyles; but the issue you have to go back to is whether those rules are worth it. And for some people (games, systems, etc.) the accumulation of more rules to handle more situations isn't.
 

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Rules that stop a significant number of annoyances and/or problematic playstyles are still useful even if they can't stop you from freaking out and flipping over the game board. YMMV.
It's true, good rules are always nice to have. They can't stop a jerk from ruining everyone's evening, but they can help the game run more smoothly after the jerk finally gets mad enough to leave.
 

It's true, good rules are always nice to have. They can't stop a jerk from ruining everyone's evening, but they can help the game run more smoothly after the jerk finally gets mad enough to leave.

So you're saying you picked up the gameboard after I left?

While I've got your attention- sorry I took a dump on the game. I mean ... literally. That was excessive. In fairness, I didn't see any rule that was stopping me, and the bathroom was too far.
 

Again with gamers being surprised by focusing fire and taking out nearly dead targets. I like goblins a whole lot more than most of the other species still in the running. But they were done. It’s a game. Shrug.
No worries; I was just giving you a hard time.

I expect similar howls of outrage when I kill the gnome in a few days.
 


Here's the problem with overly detailed rules dealing with edge cases in D&D.

When you and I play at the table, we don't need those rules. We are perfectly comfortable ruling on-the-spot to take care of the edge cases. Like the FIFA football referees, we see what happened, BOOM, ruling. Done.

However, the corporation that publishes D&D has realized that they sell a lot (like, an obscene amount) of books if they can get a popular Organized Play program going, and then drive the sales with specific adventures. During the 3.5E RPGA era, they had this down to a science. Say, they come out with Sandstorm, a book about desert campaigns. It's meh. On it's own, it might sell okay, some people still have nostalgia for Al Qadim, they put some references in there, okay. Fine. However, then they release a season's worth of scenarios in their Living Greyhawk campaign, which has 50,000 active players worldwide, and they use Sandstorm extensively. Like, they allow new player options from it (none of which have undergone thorough playtesting), all of the adventures take place in the Bright Lands (a massive desert), they use monsters from it (which have never been in the Bright Lands before), etc. All of the sudden, DMs who had been running Living Greyhawk need to pick up the book, because they need to refer to spells from it (which are new and have never been seen anywhere else). Players need the book because they heard this one prestige class has great synergy with something their character does, and there's this broken magic item in it, and did you see they had rules for centaur characters...

Suddenly, convention organizers need to deal with thousands of new edge cases. Every four months. And when a DM just makes a ruling on the spot, that isn't specifically spelled out in the rules, the players complain and report the DM. And nobody wants to be blacklisted, because the program puts hundreds or thousands of butts in seats at the convention, and if I want that free DM pass I need to be able to run those games, which I can't do if I've been banned from the program.

It was a very effective marketing program at that time, is what I'm saying, and the rulebooks were being written specifically to try to address that, is what I believe.

Now, under 5E, they went for a more relaxed set of rules, but they're still pretty beefy, and people still love to argue and rules lawyer. I had a player threaten to report me to the convention's RPG Director because I had a barbarian throw a javelin at him when he tried to flee a fight by flying away, as his argument was the barbarian stat block does not include javelins, so they can't have them. All barbarians everywhere use greatswords, because that's what's in the stat block in the Monster Manual.

I laughed in his face, and his complaint went nowhere because I was the RPG Director of the convention and the ultimate arbiter. But that is the kind of player that the rulebooks are written to try to address. They know the rest of us will just ignore what we don't like anyway.
 

At Cornel University, there is an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the Tunneling Electron Microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that, by firing electrons, you can actually see images of the atom--the infinitesimally minute building block of our universe. RollForCombat, if I were using that microscope right now, I still wouldn't be able to locate any interest in the OneD&D OGL.

(with apologies to Frasier.)
 

I laughed in his face, and his complaint went nowhere because I was the RPG Director of the convention and the ultimate arbiter.
Hopefully you told him that.
But that is the kind of player that the rulebooks are written to try to address. They know the rest of us will just ignore what we don't like anyway.
True. Unfortunately. That’s the problem right there. Writing books to sell, writing adventures to push the books, and who cares if the stuff is well designed, good for the game, etc. Nothing matters but sales.
 

Wow... I am now picturing a MM barbarian seeing a ubermagical claymore on the floor saying "mmm, what is that? I really don't have a clue on how it is used... I"ll leave this strange object here" with his zweihander over the shoulder...
 

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