D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[Jaeger]

Now YOU are jumping in with that outdated pre-pandemic formula?

I'm a capital YOU now. Sweet!

And the formula is not outdated. No one is questioning that Shazam 2 flopped using those same metrics.

Just do a search for: 'Shazam 2 a flop' - and you will have your choice of several articles...

D&D did not utterly tank like Shazam 2. But its numbers in relation to its budget are not that great either.

Like I said, the week 3 drop off will tell the final tale.

As to streaming and VoD...

The box office performance would have a direct impact on what price D&D can negotiate to streaming services.

But Paramount+ exists. So it's will be measured on how many subscribers it brings to the platform, and retention. Nobody will have those figures anytime soon.

VoD "rentals" is a better scenario. We got the whole Terminator franchise because the first movie that only did ok in the theatres did a mint in VHS rentals.

But these days those metrics get muddied with many opting to wait for it to hit the streaming service that they are already paying for. Also, nobody will have those figures anytime soon.

As for merchandise: How are the action figures based on the movie characters selling? Wait for it... Nodody knows!

By all accounts D&D HoT is an entertaining popcorn flick. Hell, even the Critical Drinker basically liked it. But its good overall reviews just aren't translating into the ticket sales that many would like to see.

 

[gban007]

I'm a capital YOU now. Sweet!

And the formula is not outdated. No one is questioning that Shazam 2 flopped using those same metrics.

Just do a search for: 'Shazam 2 a flop' - and you will have your choice of several articles...

D&D did not utterly tank like Shazam 2. But its numbers in relation to its budget are not that great either.

Like I said, the week 3 drop off will tell the final tale.

As to streaming and VoD...

The box office performance would have a direct impact on what price D&D can negotiate to streaming services.

But Paramount+ exists. So it's will be measured on how many subscribers it brings to the platform, and retention. Nobody will have those figures anytime soon.

VoD "rentals" is a better scenario. We got the whole Terminator franchise because the first movie that only did ok in the theatres did a mint in VHS rentals.

But these days those metrics get muddied with many opting to wait for it to hit the streaming service that they are already paying for. Also, nobody will have those figures anytime soon.

As for merchandise: How are the action figures based on the movie characters selling? Wait for it... Nodody knows!

By all accounts D&D HoT is an entertaining popcorn flick. Hell, even the Critical Drinker basically liked it. But its good overall reviews just aren't translating into the ticket sales that many would like to see.

If the articles saying Shazam 2 is a flop is proof of it being a flop, then shouldn't the articles saying D&D HoT is exceeding expectations be proof it is doing alright for itself?

 

[Zardnaar]

If the articles saying Shazam 2 is a flop is proof of it being a flop, then shouldn't the articles saying D&D HoT is exceeding expectations be proof it is doing alright for itself?

Context though. Expectations weren't that high for a 150 million dollar movie.
And it only beat expectations by a very small amount.

That wasn't Hasbros expectations it was industry expectations.

You can exceed expectations and still have a flop.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I mean, it can be a flop if someone wants it to be. The Transformers movies, for example. They'll always be a flop in my heart and that's what matters. Go on, just close your eyes and envision failure.

 

[Zardnaar]

I mean, it can be a flop if someone wants it to be. The Transformers movies, for example. They'll always be a flop in my heart and that's what matters. Go on, just close your eyes and envision failure.

They're not good but most of them made money.

 

[Vaalingrade]

They're not good but most of them made money.

Doesn't matter if I simply choose not to accept proof to the contrary.

 

[Zardnaar]

Doesn't matter if I simply choose not to accept proof to the contrary.

Look at their box office vs costs. I've been consistent with that.

Transformers: The Last Knight - Wikipedia

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That's the worst one performance wise. 217-260 cost.
605 million box office.

And this one.

Bumblebee (film) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Every single one made double its cost minimum.

 

[CommodoreKong]

I mean, it can be a flop if someone wants it to be. The Transformers movies, for example. They'll always be a flop in my heart and that's what matters. Go on, just close your eyes and envision failure.

Objectivity they're not. They made several times their budget from box office alone so tyey eithermade a good amount of profitfor the higher performing ones or were around breaking even for the lower performers. The DnD movie will only make around it's budget or a little bit more at the box office, which means it's theatrical run is going to lose money.

Now if you said you feel they're bad films I would agree, I gave up on them after the third. I have heard Bumblebee is better but haven't watched it.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

OK, we can't accept D&DHaT is not the party start, but this doesn't mean it have been a failure. The movie is fun, and now audience know MCU has got a new rival. Mario Bros is more popular, but Paramount will recover the investment. The action-live movie has worked in the sense they have broken the ice. Now there are people who know the brand, and this means more merchandising products to be sold. This also means videogame studios willing with collabs.

Now the brand has more value than before, and then this should be a success for Hasbro. And Paramount has found a new franchise with compete with the rest of companies.

* Did Chinese censorship allow the scene of the cementery and "speak with the dead"?

 

[CommodoreKong]

OK, we can't accept D&DHaT is not the party start, but this doesn't mean it have been a failure. The movie is fun, and now audience know MCU has got a new rival. Mario Bros is more popular, but Paramount will recover the investment. The action-live movie has worked in the sense they have broken the ice. Now there are people who know the brand, and this means more merchandising products to be sold. This also means videogame studios willing with collabs.

Now the brand has more value than before, and then this should be a success for Hasbro. And Paramount has found a new franchise with compete with the rest of companies.

* Did Chinese censorship allow the scene of the cementery and "speak with the dead"?

If the film eventually does break even we may eventually get a sequel, but the process will likely be slow moving and may sputter out before it actually gets into production.

I would suggest looking at Detective Pikachu for an example. It's a film from an even more popular IP than D&D, had a budget of around $150 million (around the same as D&D, and likely had a similar marketing budget), made $433 million (which is likely more than D&D will make in it's theatrical run) and there's been occasional talk of a sequel but the development just seems to be spinning it's wheels. Your guess is as good as mine if a sequel will ever happen for Detective Pikachu.
Ironically enough the success of the Mario movie may actually push things into high gear for Detective Pikachu 2.