Shardstone
Hero
Achilles wounded Ares.
So does Diomedes (and he also hits Aphrodite and tries to hit Apollo).Achilles wounded Ares.
Kratos is a bad example for this topic tho.
Beside he is demigod at first, in beginning of first game he is blessed(cursed) with Blades of Chaos. At end of it he use power of Hope to defeat Ares and ascend to god of war. Even in next game he lost his god power due to Zeus's scheme, he got aid from Titans.
After he massacre whole greek pantheon, destroy Greek, and lost most of his god power. He still has his super strength and regeneration. He admitted to his son that his strength isn't from his muscles but his remain god power.
Is he master of martial power? Of course he is, he use his skill to overcome other god. But he also has an arsenal of artifact level weapons and god strength enough to choke another god to death.
So does Diomedes (and he also hits Aphrodite and tries to hit Apollo).
There's other examples, the Kojiki from Japan has various legendary emperors defeating various gods and some Pacific Islander (both Polynesian and Melanesian but not the same stories everywhere) have tales of mortals fighting. defeating and even killing gods.
Semantics? No that is not "semantics". He didn't win because he was that good of a fighter. He won because an illithid hive-mind held down Demogorgon while Drizz'zt acted as a glorified lightning rod. That speaks nothing to his skill as a fighter.
No? Unless you are talking about a video game where TAkhisis holds Raistlan in the Abyss, this is what happens "Caramon confronts Raistlin with his experience of the future and Raistlin's solitary, meaningless existence. After dragging the memory from Caramon's experience of the future, Raistlin was convinced of what Caramon warned. Raistlin tells his twin to take Crysania back to Krynn and gives up his life preventing Takhisis from passing through the portal."
So, Cadderly defeats the Ghost King, the Ghost King comes back, eats Drizz't who kills him from the inside, and then Cadderly goes to finish him off? This is a really suspect feat, and I'm not reading an entire trilogy just to try and find it. Especially since Drizz'zt is explicitly unable to even reach the Ghost King in the first fight, to again quote
Would have attempted to kill him. There is no way Caramon could have actually done it. Especially since it becomes clear in reading the summary that Raistlin was convinced by the memories, not cowed by his brother's thews.
She captured Graz'zt, then after she was weakened by Tsojcanth he broke free and fought her. She barely killed his earthly vessel and banished him (again, while weakened).
No, I don't want to discount magical powers. That's why I didn't comment on Cale being a Shade, but being a Bhaalspawn is a little different. Bhaalspawn are shards of Bhaal. And, additionally, here's a source listing some of his powers
"part of a plot"? That is so intentional vague, especially since her spellcasting sister is the main character of the series. How much do I want to bet that it is Farideh the Warlock and Chosen of Asmodeus who is explicitly mentioned as saving Asmodeus who is the one who actually does this and Havilar is a "was also there"
He was chosen by Ivonnel (and by extention Lolth) explicitly because he was that good of a fighter. No one else, including the Archmage Gromph, or Ivonnel herself, two of the most powerful Wizards on Ferun in that era.
Caramon stops Raistlan from reentering the world and destroying it. That is epic. That he does it without swinging a sword is immaterial.
No he does not eat Drizzt. He is a lich and Drizzt goes inside him through his bones and attacks him from the inside.
Also what about Bruener Battlehammer who defeated Lolth's retriever by using a juicer and pushing him into a Volcano. Before this happens the book states that nothing short of a God can kill it. He also beats the Demon Errtu and a senior level Pit Fiend (the latter 1 on one). I mentioned him originally and you apparantly forgot to go and figure out a way to disqualify him.
Guile and Wit still count.
Captured and defeating in combat are not the same thing remember. Also as I recall you have it backwards. Grazzt captured her and dragged her to the Abyss
Finally most of Tasha's power over demons came from a book, not her powers and any power she had over Grizzt's came from the fact she seduced him.
And I will also note that Tasha, aside from her class powers also has other powers as well from her ties to Baba Yaga and the Feywild .... you know the kind of "extra powers" you used to disqualify Abdel Adrian.
When did she beat a Arch Devil in an epic combat?
For that matter when did Elminster or Mordenkainen.
And Raistlan was a shard of both Fistandantilis and Takhisis and Elmister is an avatar of Mystra. Double standard here.
It is vague because I don't remember the exact details about what happened on the Ziggurat in Tymanthor and I read the book like 5 years ago. Rest assured it was epic and caused Asmodeus to lose Godhood and if I remeber correctly also resulted in the death of Brysis Kristos who was a God or Demigod (second death of course). Havilar also died but was resurected.
Most of the game is casters we have less then 1/3 the classes that don’t have magic and those classes have subclasses to add magicAre you kidding me? Fighters are WAY more common than any caster right now.
Some time we may get to where most people want to play full casters, but we are not close to being there yet.
Started a brief playtest yesterday and pleasantly surprised at how a mixed group of fighters is suddenly thinking tactics.
One shortcoming - does anyone else think fighters should get to dodge as a bonus action when leaving a threatened square as a sort of fighting withdrawal? Disengage really seems to punish the fighter concept.
Or maybe tweaked class feature at level 5 so you can spend one of your attacks to disengage.