D&D (2024) Ranger 2024 is a bigger joke than Ranger 2014:

[ECMO3]

I've looked at a lot of alternate 5E ranger classes, and this new one looks...better than WOTC's 2014 ranger. Unfortunately, this is damning with faint praise. I think WOTC's ranger is weak sauce, partly because the system doesn't offer much if any support for exploration and survival. Level Up has the best ranger I've seen, and that's partly because every class has a healthy dose of non-combat features. LU also has a robust exploration challenges system.

So, I probably won't be using this 2024 ranger as a player.

My big problem with level up is the class does not get spells. You can select the subclass for spells, but then that is tying you to one subclass and that subclass doesn't get enough spells to be a proper Ranger IMO (neither does the 2024 Ranger either from all appearances).

 

[ECMO3]

Thats like say middle ages people hated flying, because none of them ever booked a flight...

DaVinci was pretty pro-flying I think.

 

[Rocker26a]

(neither does the 2024 Ranger either from all appearances).

It still bugs the hell out of me that (seemingly), the Ranger subclasses still only get one extra spell per spell level. Genuinely don't get the logic with that, when Paladin has always gotten two.
For that matter, do Hunter and Beastmaster get spells at all this time round?

 

[SteveC]

Go ahead. Make a ENworld poll about whether you like tracking food, water, shelter, ammo, clothes...

You know what will be the result.

I don't know, ENworld has a lot of DMs. Tracking rations, water, and camping resources is something a lot of DMs just love. And I can't get away from it fast enough. Overland travel and adventures can be really fun when you encounter something mysterious and different. When you have the one guy in your group who tracks stuff with a spreadsheet keeping track of everything. Otherwise, I can't imagine something less interesting. And making that what a Ranger is about is a mistake.

 

[Minigiant]

That would require coming up with a conclusion beforehand, and then fudging the results so they meet and only meet that conclusion. That's not how polls work.

I am referring all the topics and polls about how people hate tracking stuff or avoiding nonscaling low level random encounters.

I don't know, ENworld has a lot of DMs. Tracking rations, water, and camping resources is something a lot of DMs just love. And I can't get away from it fast enough. Overland travel and adventures can be really fun when you encounter something mysterious and different. When you have the one guy in your group who tracks stuff with a spreadsheet keeping track of everything. Otherwise, I can't imagine something less interesting. And making that what a Ranger is about is a mistake.

Exactly.

The 90% of 5e's Exploration rules are in the DMG it's solely for DMs to gotcha players.

It's not like you are casting "Feyward" or "Stop Hurricane" or identifying deathroses or lightning snakes.

It's "Didja eat? No. Penalty". Lame.

 

[ECMO3]

Nope. Because then there would have been indeed a reason to complain.

The only way I would stop complaining about HM is if they got rid of it as part of the class mechanics and replaced it with something. It would not even have to be something better, just something else so that Ranger=Hunter's Mark was not a class mandate.

To a degree, this is my problem with Barbarians and Druids; Barbarians=Rage and Druid=Wildshape are huge detractors from trying to develop a character for one of those classes and they are one of the reasons I NEVER play one of those classes.

 

[mellored]

i fail to see how that affects...any part of the argument?

but a spell without V components won't be audible in the same way one with them is.

And your hands are full for a S, and you probably don't want and M.

Thus my question of is there is any spell without any component.

 

[Corinnguard]

The only way I would stop complaining about HM is if they got rid of it as part of the class mechanics and replaced it with something. It would not even have to be something better, just something else so that Ranger=Hunter's Mark was not a class mandate.

They could always bring back Favored Foe. It does have a number of advantages over Hunter's Mark IMO.

 

[mellored]

I think concentration on class features in general is just a bad idea. You wouldn't want it on Wild Shape, you wouldn't want it on Rage

it kind of is on wild shape, and even more so with rage.

Can't be broke by damage, but both prevent you from casting Bless.

 

[Rocker26a]

it kind of is on wild shape, and even more so with rage.

Can't be broke by damage, but both prevent you from casting Bless.

I mean sure, but you get what I'm saying.
(Obviously a Druid with Bless, say a Fey Touched Druid if you like, they could at least cast Bless and keep it up with the benefit of Wild Shape HP/CON.)