D&D (2024) PHB 2024 Is Hilariously Broken. Most OP of All Time?

[Zardnaar]

Supposing a player character wanted to carry another player character through a spike growth area, hoping to avoid the carried character taking damage, is it right to say that you'd rule damage applied to both of them?

RAW yes. Spell description also includes thorns. If you're moving through it you're taking damage.

Bramble patch not caltrops.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

I love that the people who look at the playtest/2024 grapple mechanics and say "it's not broken" rather than "holy heck, this is going to cause problems" / "This is broken" are also suggesting that the gm add & define drag in a way that tries to code around the broken mechanic rather than expecting an errata from the industry leading 800 pound gorilla who shrugged off playtest concerns to publish that grapple anyways.

Actually, not true: what's been suggested is that 'the gm add & define drag in a way (that defies physics!)' that creates the broken mechanic. Dragging to the side? I mean, I get the imagery being evoked, but come on...

It's a blank spot in the rules, I agree. It relies on common sense to fill that gap, which is admittedly not great, but these gaps are bound to happen. If one chooses to fill that gap with something besides a realistic/sensible approach, then complain that the result is a mess, that person is on their own. Make mess, clean up after yourself.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

Alot of it is over what the rules say.

Others are things like it requires to many things to set up.

It's not hard to repelling blast people into zone, emanations or whatever.

The rules changing facilitate this. I'm not sure picking up a cleric and running with them per PC is that viable (it's kinda silly/cheesy but RAW).

In a real situation it's not hard to get double or triple duty out of say spirit guardians.

Yolandes the spell actually pushs them out for you if they flunk a save. Repelling blast them back in. Or any forced movement.

No one's really commented much on cleric example. One person said hallow doesn't do much. No save vulnerability to a damage type of your choice 60' is great. It's why you use hold spells for free crits.

Reaction casting buff spells also works RaW with warcaster.

Bumping this because I respect the right to your position. Don't agree in the slightest, but I don't want others more versed in the rules to miss out on responding to your points.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

RAW it works. They're in the spike growth. You move them they take the damage.

How goid it is is really down to how easy/hard it is to establish the grapple. With the feat they take damage anyway so low opportunity cost assuming you're built around it or are a Monk or whatever.

How is that RAW? Where in RAW does it specify you can drag someone in that configuration?

 

[Ancalagon]

Can we bury the flagrant misuse of the word 'superhero'?

Like it's very clear the implication has NOTHING to do with the genre and everything to do with completely and possibly deliberately misunderstanding the power level of a genre whose #1 most recognizable representative has zero fantastic powers aside from having more money than a human ought to.

I disagree with you... I think. are you saying that because batman "doesn't have super powers" the super hero genre's power level is lower than we are thinking it is? Because it's arguable that the #1 super hero representative is not batman, it's superman...

I do think you're touching on an important subject and I do want to understand so if you could elaborate...

 

[Zardnaar]

How is that RAW? Where in RAW does it specify you can drag someone in that configuration?

Grappler feat. You move they move you're not in the same space/space. However the DM rules it you're gonna be able to put them somewhere.

A simple 5' step is easiest way to show it.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

Grappler feat. You move they move you're not in the same space/space. However the DM rules it you're gonna be able to put them somewhere.

A simple 5' step is easiest way to show it.

The Grappler feat says nothing of the sort. I have the 2024 PHB right here. All it mentions re: movement is that your speed isn't halved when you move a Grappled creature (if they are your size or smaller). The Grappled condition, however, mentions that you are Movable. Movable, according to the PHB rules glossary, means you can be dragged or carried. No special definition of 'dragged' meaning off to the side, as opposed to common sense and physics, which is my point.

 

[FrogReaver]

Grappler feat. You move they move you're not in the same space/space. However the DM rules it you're gonna be able to put them somewhere.

A simple 5' step is easiest way to show it.

Grappler feat doesn’t say that at all. It just says your speed isn’t halved when you try to drag or carry.

 

[FrogReaver]

The Grappler feat says nothing of the sort. I have the 2024 PHB right here. All it mentions re: movement is that your speed isn't halved when you move a Grappled creature (if they are your size or smaller). The Grappled condition, however, mentions that you are Movable. Movable, according to the PHB rules glossary, means you can be dragged or carried. No special definition of 'dragged' meaning off to the side, as opposed to common sense and physics, which is my point.

And maybe more importantly dragging And carrying are still subject to the carrying capacity rules. Neither the feat nor the grappled condition overrides that.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

And maybe more importantly dragging And carrying are still subject to the carrying capacity rules. Neither the feat nor the grappled condition overrides that.

I did not read every page of this (currently) 26 page discussion! What is this referring to?