mellored
Legend
It does in 2014.
but now it's 1/day with big bonus to the save.
And at level 17, it's suddenly 5/day (effectively). Including the +17 to the save.
Kind of think it could scale a bit smoother.
D&D (2024) 4/26 Playtest: The Fighter
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but now it's 1/day with big bonus to the save.
And at level 17, it's suddenly 5/day (effectively). Including the +17 to the save.
Kind of think it could scale a bit smoother.
gorice
Hero
I'm only happy when it rains...
I think it is better, you're right. But I have such a low opinion of its current state that 'better' isn't enough.
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad
Having played the fighter multiple times I find the current one lots of fun. I think this will improve it, particularly the champion and the weapon stuff.
Neonchameleon
Legend
I don't think anyone thinks they didn't improve the fighter. But the fighter needed a lot of work, especially above level 11, and didn’t get it. This isn't even close to the warlock getting destroyed. It just isn't all that good.
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad
I think the claim the warlock was destroyed is a silly first blush reaction which doesn't hold up to deeper scrutiny, but I will leave that for another time. For the fighter, I do think they got a lot more attention. I just think people have not worked out the optimizations with the weapons yet. It will come.
Neonchameleon
Legend
And I think denial that the warlock was destroyed is at best wishful thinking and at worst outright caping for a corporation. When picking out why the warlock is my favourite class in 5e two of the things I've always singled out are that the spell list can stay thin and easy to use because you're not juggling low level slots and that you still have strong high level spell potential. Both parts of that are at the epicentre of destruction. And what's left is a blander class that works like everyone else and synergies less well with invocations due to having more low level slots.
Meanwhile the fighter's core problem is and has always been that they don't scale properly. There is absolutely nothing that changes the fact that at level 1 the fighter moves at a speed of 30' and hits someone hard and fast with a sharpened piece of metal while at level 20 they still move at 30' and hit someone really hard and fast with a sharpened piece of metal the same length. All that has changed boils down to numbers are higher for doing the exact same thing. And this didn’t change the fundamental conceptual problem in the fighter.
gorice
Hero
My big problem with the fighter isn't statistical balance in combat, it's that fighters are boring. With the UA, WotC has added complexity, but put it in exactly the wrong place -- it's frontloaded into build decisions, instead of tactical or roleplaying options. The fact that you can change your weapon mastery on a long rest strains verisimilitude without adding any interesting decisions.
mamba
Legend
yeah, because there is no way anyone would disagree with you otherwise. Convenient
mamba
Legend
and this is a major issue because nothing else in D&D does…
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