BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: Season 2A Part 10; NSCR/9.23.2005. Mid-Season Ending

[Steel_Wind]

I agree. I didn't think they were amputated or anything like that. And since it killed 7 people according to the Pegasus crew I think they had reason to keep it shackled.

They were certainly not clear as to how and when it killed seven crewman. In the middle of a gang-rape...changes one's views of Gina's murderous culpability. (Gina is Moore's name for PegaSix)

The whole view you take of a villain like Six is very different in this episode though, because of the presentation. It's a fascinating way to play with emotions in the viewer to ellicit a very different response.

Love this show.

 

[DonTadow]

I think people are over thinking the arms behind the back thing. I think they were just shackled behind her back (standard procedure) and it was just hard to tell, especially with the prisoners rags she was wearing.

UP until the doc started feeding her, I swore her arms had been severed as well. I'm not sure if that was a great camera trick done purposely but it made me feel more compassion for her and made me realize how much more barbaric the pegasus crew had been.

 

[Wormwood]

UP until the doc started feeding her, I swore her arms had been severed as well. I'm not sure if that was a great camera trick done purposely but it made me feel more compassion for her and made me realize how much more barbaric the pegasus crew had been.

While I did feel some compassion for the cylon's plight, I found myself thinking that amputation really was a logical solution to a difficult problem.

To paraphrase my wife: "We de-clawed out cat...and we loved him. If I was on a Battlestar and finally got my hands on Osama Bin Cylon? Bonesaw. Stat."

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

Also, in real-world terms, Carrier Battle Groups in the modern day US Navy have an Admiral aboard them. A Captain may command the actual Carrier, but overall command of the group generally goes to a Rear Admiral (one star). Since the "BSG 75" line on the Galactica insignia stands for 75th Battlestar Group, and the producers own podcast commentaries say that the Battlestars are analgous to modern day aircraft carriers, a flag officer would be in charge of the Battlestar Group, just that Pegasus being a larger, more powerful, and (originally) more important Battlestar might have a higher ranking flag officer in charge of its Battlestar Group.

The problem with this is that the Admiral doesn't command the carrier, the Captain does. The Admiral commands the Battle Group (admittedly, of which the carrier is a part), which includes 4-6 escorts of varying capabilities, some anti-sub, some anti-air.

This, however, is easily solved. I believe I read somewhere, possibly on SciFi.com, that there are smaller escort vessels in the fleet. At least, there were. Galactica, obviously, didn't have any escorts assigned to her at the time of the attack, since she was being decommissioned and wasn't on active duty. Pegasus, going into spacedock, would not have had her escorts around at the time. They'd either have been pulled away for reassignment or gone into dock ahead of time and didn't make it out. Alternately, they could have already "taken one for the team", so to speak.

Brad

 

[ThirdWizard]

It seemed... eh. Not my favorite BSG episode.

The entire crew of the Pegasus seems cracked. They have an admiral on board who will willy-nilly kill them, apparently, and the conversation with the crew talking about Six's blank eyes is just disturbing. What surprises me, actually, is that they haven't just started taking guns to each other and had some serial killings or that Cain hasn't been assassinated yet. She's like a Mirror-Mirror Kirk without the kill-anyone-machine. Or maybe she's like a Gould without the glowing eyes and powers/tech. Everyone should probably be looking to kill her and take her place, but it seems like the rest of the crew is insane, yet unable to do anything. Obsessed with the chain of command? I doubt it.

I don't really know what to make of it. Maybe its just the two dimesional nature of the Pegaus crew that's getting to me. Yeah, I know, we arn't going to see well several new characters extremely developed in the timespan of a single episode. But, man, they just do nothing for me. They're all mean, petty, and scared. They don't make good bad guys. They remind me of gollum. Little impotent monsters (even if they are holding onto some big guns themselves).

Oh! Except that civilian who was drafted. He was cool: an engineer and interested in the stealth ship. He was interesting. I'm hoping he'll stay as a main cast member.

 

[Steel_Wind]

Oh! Except that civilian who was drafted. He was cool: an engineer and interested in the stealth ship. He was interesting. I'm hoping he'll stay as a main cast member.

Agreed. I got a feeling that guy may be sticking around.

 

[Fast Learner]

Imagine that the Earth was destroyed, and only you and 1,000 people remained. You have a ship capable of doing some real damage to the beings who destroyed everyone and everything you love. You spend 6 months doing nothing but that, every day, your only real pleasure the vengeful lust of killing your enemy. Everyone around you is reshaping their own life philosophies at the same time you are, grasping for something to make living worthwhile.

It's not a chain of command issue for the crew of the Pegasus: it's a genuine, largely-unintentional but essential mindset that most of them share. They don't have the humanizing influence of the real feeling that humanity can be saved, that there are others to protect. They have become who they appear to be.

That doesn't mean they can't change, mind you. Now that they know that there are 50,000 humans in the universe, a whole bunch of them relatively defensless civilians who need your help, people with freedoms and hope, the world just isn't so black and white anymore.

I think that two-dimensionality is a very real thing brought out of us during times of intense stress, most especially war. It's how we cope, and it's sadly but utterly authentic-feeling to me.

 

[Truth Seeker]

ThirdWizard=The entire crew of the Pegasus seems cracked. They have an admiral on board who will willy-nilly kill them, apparently, and the conversation with the crew talking about Six's blank eyes is just disturbing. What surprises me, actually, is that they haven't just started taking guns to each other and had some serial killings or that Cain hasn't been assassinated yet. She's like a Mirror-Mirror Kirk without the kill-anyone-machine. Or maybe she's like a Gould without the glowing eyes and powers/tech. Everyone should probably be looking to kill her and take her place, but it seems like the rest of the crew is insane, yet unable to do anything. Obsessed with the chain of command? I doubt it.

Just keep in mind, Cain has many of the command codes, that she knows only . Remove her, and there is a great possibility of a non-functional ship. But your thesis, on the crew going dark plays more than the other part, of someone bumping her off. Keep this in mind. 700 crewman were killed in the surprise attack, out of how many that work on onboard a Battlestar class ship.

These 700, had friends aboard that ship, and it is great possibility, that many had serve with Cain for quite a while. As a example, her former XO, who was shot by her. The remaining survivors of that incredible and heart rendering attack. Saw other Battlestars and ships go up quick, on the first nuke assualt.

I think in earnest, those who were left, were so shell-shocked at what happened, fell into that trap, for an eye for eye bit. Everyone...including Cain. So in the end. If nobody wanted to replace her, even if she shot several people for any slightest disagreement on orders and such, it is because, everyone on board, or almost everyone, wants revenge in the worst way. And they don't care how they get it.

That term is called tunnel vision. Which has been nicely illustrated through the lower ranks of the Pegasus to those in the hgher echolon of command.

This is where, as some people would say, the main objective has been obscured to a point. And this was made worse, to the fact, that Pegasus has been alone since the major attack. But one odd thing. The Civilian engineer drafted into the war, what happened to his ship, as he said, that Pegasus got him from?

 

[Truth Seeker]

DonTadow=UP until the doc started feeding her, I swore her arms had been severed as well. I'm not sure if that was a great camera trick done purposely but it made me feel more compassion for her and made me realize how much more barbaric the pegasus crew had been.

I believe the term from Hollywood, is called an optical Illusion. And believe me, you were not alone in that thought . But then I realize that she had arms, the cuff restraints connecting links were running from her feet to the back of her body.

But the impression was there...just the impression.

 

[Truth Seeker]

SteelWind=They were certainly not clear as to how and when it killed seven crewman. In the middle of a gang-rape...changes one's views of Gina's murderous culpability. (Gina is Moore's name for PegaSix)

I will presume on when she was first detected as a Cylon. *Although, that leaves more mystery, on how that happened in the first* And when they went after her, well...the seven weren't so lucky.

Just speculation...as you know.