DnD 3.5 - Valley of the Dead

[Myth and Legend]

Lol I see Dragonwriter has a really twisted view of Muirlane and it's NPCs. Have I written them to be that Lawful Stupid? Don't worry I won't lynch and burn your PC on the stake on general basis, I'm not an immature "out to get you" DM.

However the weirder the choice for race, the greater the repercussions you will face. A Kobold might not be taken seriously nor allowed to camp in the vicinity of the army. A Drow might have to be interrogated within a Zone of Truth and with some mind reading magic first and even then it would not be easy to drop the prejudice.

If you roll an undead character or a demon though I't be hard for me to keep you alive, with the whole "no plot shield guarding the party" clause I put up in the very first post of this game so many months ago

Zerith: since you are new let me give you a friendly warning. The DnD journey starts with the "ooh ahh" phase where you find the sheer freedom of creating (called rolling) a character that can fit any concept imaginable within a fantasy setting. You start to read forums and builds because there are a multitude of sources and you can't know them all in a day. For example you want a sneaky rogue type character, you read the rogue clas and go OK that's for me! Then you hear about Assasin and Shadowdancer and your're like "wow those are nice what else is there?"

Then you find stuff like Swashbuckler+Daring Outlaw, Darkstalker, Assassin Stance, Shadow Hand etc. etc. and your head explodes. You will realize that 3.5 has about as much reading material as a decently sized 3 tome Fantasy series. You can read builds and guides and those are great because they compile all the knowledge from all the books. But in those guides/forums etc. you will encounter theoretical optimization which focuses on making a character not merely powerful but the best thing out there.

Which will lead you to the caster level 255, infinite powerpoints, infinite shadow dragons etc. builds and ultimately Pun-Pun. Don't strain your head and research those (unless you are curious) I'm just giving examples. In DnD 3.5 you can have a very un-optimized character that will not be able to do much good for the group and will not be fun to play outside of pure RP scenarios. You can have a great character that has lots of options and is satisfying for you to play and does not bother the rest of the group. You can have a character that is mind boggingly good and anyone not on that level will feel a bit behind. And you can have a complete and utter god of gods. The rules are so liberal that you can really be a prince or a pauper.

So when looking into options for your first character, go for "I have a concept I'm passionate about. I want to play it and feel adequate." Ask around or read up on this character and choose a build

Of course that's why I'm here so don't worry, present your build and I'll tell you if it's underpowered or overpowered. And the others will chip in as well, both Dragonwriter and Malachei know their DnD quite well.

 

[Zerith]

PC has just gotten over a heart attack, so yesh, did not get any thing done today just yet.

and Now the Kobold is a "asking to be killed" one to? awh, I might as well just use the Tiefling as a Dragon saman then; Also, if a +1 LA Character payed off their LA level at level 3, would they be just 3k xp from level 8 or more?

Addon: I'm not a power player, I think that picking a Kobold while thinking it was a big fat "-6 ability for +2 ability" race just for flavor proves that :3
As for what character I'm more into, right now, I'm actually leaning more towards the Tiefling; I have not RPed a Demonic character in a very long time :3
(and I can always just Wait for him to get killed then make the Kobold XD)

oh yes, is the X4 skill points for the first level only, or the first class level one on any class?

 

[Myth and Legend]

PC has just gotten over a heart attack, so yesh, did not get any thing done today just yet.

and Now the Kobold is a "asking to be killed" one to? awh, I might as well just use the Tiefling as a Dragon saman then; Also, if a +1 LA Character payed off their LA level at level 3, would they be just 3k xp from level 8 or more?

Addon: I'm not a power player, I think that picking a Kobold while thinking it was a big fat "-6 ability for +2 ability" race just for flavor proves that :3
As for what character I'm more into, right now, I'm actually leaning more towards the Tiefling; I have not RPed a Demonic character in a very long time :3
(and I can always just Wait for him to get killed then make the Kobold XD)

oh yes, is the X4 skill points for the first level only, or the first class level one on any class?

Nobody is waiting to be killed re-read my post

4 skill points at level 1, 1 x number of skills of current class level taken afterward. The Thiefling will have a hard time fitting in as I said.

 

[Zerith]

The "waiting to be killed" part was in reply to Dragonwriter's post ^^;

Also, could a hat of disguise hid horns, wings and a tail? I don't know if it is a miner affect (letting a human look like an elf) or a fairly complex one (Kobold to gnome) I know its not something as drastic as horse to troll, but that is about all I know. (Body type dos not main much to me and minor features are never explained)

This said, I think I'll, Finally/hopefully, get started on reading the IC thread in the morning, I keep on getting side tracked by "oooo! Shiny magical talking weapon of Swiss cheese!" while, still, trying to choose gear. Yesh, good thing I'm only looking at core items ; (luckily I'm getting to the point all that is left is minor stuff that is not magical stuff of "live longer? Or smite faster?"-ness)

Addon Could I also get a verdict on this? if a +1 LA character buys their LA off at level three, are they only 3000 XP from level 8? or would they be further off then that?

 

[Scotley]

Zerith, if you are committed to playing a race that is going to take some heat from other party members and or the local paladins (Kobold or Tiefling for example) maybe we could work on a joint back-story for your character and my Cleric. It should also make the DM's job easier to add us to the group at the same time. It would work if you plan to play a basically good Tiefling, perhaps one who struggles with demonic urges from time to time. Chaotic Good might work well for this. Anyway, hanging with an obvious goody two shoes like Gerik might increase your credibility. He's just come off a quest to rescue some powerful magic items important to Lathandar. Having done such a deed will go a long way toward easing the local Paladin's minds about you. Just a thought for you to ponder.

 

[Zerith]

That sounds like an interesting Idea :3
Want to discuse things over PMs, MSN (as I said before, mine is zexr@hotmail.com) or this thread?

Addon: How many skill points need to be spent to learn extra Languages beyond Racle/Bonus Languages?

Why Didn't I notice this was the 666th post ;

 

[Dragonwriter]

Lol I see Dragonwriter has a really twisted view of Muirlane and it's NPCs. Have I written them to be that Lawful Stupid?

They're crusading holy warriors. I tend to expect such folks to cause collateral damage. Call me paranoid if you wish.

Of course that's why I'm here so don't worry, present your build and I'll tell you if it's underpowered or overpowered. And the others will chip in as well, both Dragonwriter and Malachei know their DnD quite well.

Thanks. I'm always happy to assist. But I'll also point out I'm big on the "make it fun" aspect, over "make it powerful".

The "waiting to be killed" part was in reply to Dragonwriter's post ^^;

Sorry if it came off as semi-threatening. Not my intent. I just wanted to give a word of caution. Herriman won't really care if you're a giant purple eyeball, as long as you work for the common/greater good. And he agrees with your definition.

 

[Zerith]

If I was just trying to make a powerful character I would have made a wizard who turns people into newts, and I fully expect a random Paladin to react Swiftly to possible danger and possibly on assumptions. That said, my character is looking to be Crazy fast; so the odds of them being able to ketch him in the open is laughable unless their mounted, and even then if there is pach of rough terrain that the horses can’t charge though, let’s just say he can ‘almost’ fly
[he has a practical jump score of 39, and I only used one feat that upped jump; just because I wanted him to have wings!
Jump +39 = 5 [ranks] +3 [Str] +15 [Vestigial Wings*] +12 [60' speed, 30’ over 30'] +5 [[FONT=&quot]Boots of Striding and Springing[/FONT]] -1 [Armor Check Penalty] ]
[*Total of 5 AH feats, +3 jump per a feat]

The just of it is, if he wants to fight, he fights and running is kind of silly; you'd have to majorly slow him if not, imoblize him, to keep him from fallowing and maintaining meele. and if he wants to getaway? even harder, as said above, he can leep ; (40' leep on a rull of 1, and yes, leaping over ppl comes to mind ^_^)

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And I don’t think you came off as threatening, but I’m silly so I grossly emphasize anything I think might be funny. So I end up making liberal use of any kinds of smiles

And I still want to know about the hat: will it be able to make him look like a human or would he need to end up looking something like a dragon kin to account for the horns, wings, and tail?

posted the WIP
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[Myth and Legend]

Disguise Self - You can look younger or older, plump or slim, blond or breunette. "You could add or obscure a minor feature" - you could hide a mole or the colour of your eyes. The horns and tail - not really, they are major features especially since they are used for natural attacks.

You roll a 9th level character using 8th level WBL (i posted this on the previous page but you might have missed it). I'll edit the first post though to avoid confusion. Subtract any XP you use for LA buyoff. Since everyone is lvl 9 flat right now, you'd actually be level 8. You might not catch up in level before lvl 10 though, it depends.

 

[Zerith]

Hmmm, could it be used to make them/him appear Dragonic as apposed to Demonic then?

Also, were can I find the new gold/exp totals then?

In other news, I'm going to be heading to a cabin for about a weak, I think, on Thursday. So yes, I might be entirely absent for a while. ^^;