Enterprise 10-08-04

[Chimera]

A little bit of the 'unbound middle' in that (spoiler);

Spoiler

The USA invaded and most of the NE taken in 1944? How the frell did they get enough troops over and manage to do that???

Agree with Umbran's spoiler bit. Nice to get that out of the way.

ABout what I would expect from an "I inherited this mess I need to clean up first" episode under a new Executive Producer.

 

[Wycen]

I liked it despite viewing distubances beyond my control, (when the light is off leave the damn light off bastards!)

I would like to see more about the Nazi invasion and how Europe is doing.

 

[rangerjohn]

I was thinking the same thing as Umbran. So either great minds think alike or...

 

[drothgery]

A little bit of the 'unbound middle' in that (spoiler);

Spoiler

The USA invaded and most of the NE taken in 1944? How the frell did they get enough troops over and manage to do that???

Spoiler

I'm guessing the writers don't really know much about WWII-era logistics. That the German surface navy was a joke, and any invasion fleet would have been decimated at sea, never crossed their minds; preventing this would take obvious use of future technology.

And how did they manage to do this without defeating the UK first? At least, no one said anyting to indicate that the speach from Churchill was not broadcast in London by the PM.

 

[Chimera]

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I'm guessing the writers don't really know much about WWII-era logistics. That the German surface navy was a joke, and any invasion fleet would have been decimated at sea, never crossed their minds; preventing this would take obvious use of future technology.

Well exactly;

Spoiler

From the speech, I assume the UK capitulated. But even gaining the services of the Royal Navy, it would be virtually impossible for Germany to invade New England, which in that time frame contained the bulk of the American population and industry. Any necessary invasion would make D-day look tame by comparison. No way they could do that by 1944. And that's without even considering the manpower issues.

 

[GSHamster]

Well, the episode did mention that the Germans took Moscow. That may mean that they essentially won the Eastern front, and were able to focus all their resources on the west.

Also, maybe the aliens provided some sort of jamming tech that allowed the invasion fleet to get past the defender. Alternatively, they could have provided any number of substantial improvements to the U-Boat fleet (better sonar, better torpedoes, better engines, etc.) that would allow the Germans to control the Atlantic.

Knowing how history turns out, maybe the aliens stopped the Japanese from attacking Pearl Harbour, keeping America out of the war, and the German invasion of America was a surprise strike that the Americans didn't believe possible.

Heck, maybe they stopped James Kirk, and McCoy saved Edith Keeler ("The City on the Edge of Forever") . That too leads to a Nazi victory. If this was the way it happened, it would be very stylish.

 

[Orius]

A little bit of the 'unbound middle' in that (spoiler);

Spoiler

The USA invaded and most of the NE taken in 1944? How the frell did they get enough troops over and manage to do that???

I thought the episode made that fairly clear:

Spoiler

The Nazis were being aided by the Remans (?), and so history was changed. The Remans were providing or at least promising to provide advanced weaponry, it's likely they told the Nazi's where they screwed up historically and thus changed things. Or something like that.

Essentially I think they're really not paying attention to military history here, and simply going for the emotional response Nazis patrolling New York would have on an American audience.

 

[Orius]

Spoiler

I'm guessing the writers don't really know much about WWII-era logistics. That the German surface navy was a joke, and any invasion fleet would have been decimated at sea, never crossed their minds; preventing this would take obvious use of future technology.

And how did they manage to do this without defeating the UK first? At least, no one said anyting to indicate that the speach from Churchill was not broadcast in London by the PM.

Spoiler

That's a good point, though I suspect the alien involvement is to be blamed. Also I was wondering why Churchill was making a speech on the radio. If America was invaded, likely Britain would have fallen by that point (would be stupid to do things otherwise), unless Churchill had taken refuge in america, but that was never suggested, along with what happened to FDR.

 

[Orius]

Spoiler

Heck, maybe they stopped James Kirk, and McCoy saved Edith Keeler ("The City on the Edge of Forever") . That too leads to a Nazi victory. If this was the way it happened, it would be very stylish.

Ummm, spoilers?

Spoiler

And yeah, I thought of the "Save Edith Keeler" angle too.

 

[drothgery]

Spoiler

That's a good point, though I suspect the alien involvement is to be blamed. Also I was wondering why Churchill was making a speech on the radio. If America was invaded, likely Britain would have fallen by that point (would be stupid to do things otherwise), unless Churchill had taken refuge in america, but that was never suggested, along with what happened to FDR.

Spoiler

I don't think the aliens could help the Nazis enough to make invading New England plausible without making it obvious that the Nazis had access to some "future" technology, at the very least (and quite probably the degree would make Archer's alien story seem believable). But no one seems to think they Nazis have openly used "future" tech to any significant degree.