[Epic] The Mirror of Days (Updated!)

[Arknath]

Question: How does one calculate market price of, say a suit of armor, that has abilities totaling more than +5 but only an enhancement bonus of +5?

Not to be a pest, but does anyone have a definitive answer on this? It will determine much about my equipment revision and future purchases... thanks in advance!

 

[Kalanyr]

Thanks Dark Eternanal but
I'm not sure I understand you about the Paragon wouldn't a Paragon Human Fighter 1 be

1 (HD) + 16 (LA) = ECL 17 ?

So which of the following would be ECL 32:

Paragon Ghaele Eladrin
Paragon Elf Fighter 2/Wizard 3/Mage of the Arcane Order 4/Bladesinger 6 (The T&B Web Enhancement Bladesinger)
Paragon Elf Fighter 2/Wizard 2.

In all probabilitiy I'm interested in playing a paragon.

 

['o Skoteinos]

Dark Eternal, you might want to take a look at this

I'll check the characters tomorrow...

 

[Keia]

I think I found an Epic Craftsman class on the WotC web site called the Master Arcane Artisan. I'm not certain I'll use it I just want to get it approved while I'm thinking about it. Here is the reference.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20030314a


Keia

[Edit] My only suggestion for the class would be for the Skill focus Requirement to be Spellcraft rather than Knowledge Arcana. This will match it up with the Arcane Lord and the Loremaster.

 

[Kalanyr]

Avarador the Recreated

Paragon Ghaele Eladrin
Medium Size Outsider (Chaos,Good)
HD: 10d8 (80 hp) + 140 + 120 ( 340 hp)
Initiative: +11 (Dex)
Speed: 150 ft, Fly 450 ft (Perfect)
AC: 59 (+14 Natural + 11 Dex + 12 Insight + 12 Luck)
Attacks: Melee AB +52/+47 (BAB 10 + 17 (Strength) + 25 (luck); Ranged Attack Bonus +46/+41 (BAB 10 + 11 (Dexterity) + 25 (luck); 2 light rays +46 ranged touch
Damage: Unarmed Strike (subdual): 1d3 + 17 (Strength) + 20 (luck) + 2d6+ 13 [Insight] (Positive energy vs evil), Light Rays 2d12 + 13 (Insight)
Face/Reach: 5 ft x 5 ft/5 ft
Special Attacks: Spell-like Abilities, Spells , Gaze , Positive Energy
Special Qualities: Alternate Form, Celestial Qualities (Protective Aura [20' Radius, Double Strength Magic Circle Against Evil,Minor Globe of Invulnerability, 25th caster level] , Tongues (As a 29th level sorceror), +4 Racial Bonus on Poison Save], Damage Reduction 25/+3 (20/+6), Darkvision 60 ft, Elemental Resistance (20 [Cold and Acid] , 10 [Fire and Sonic]), Fast Healing 20, Immunity (Electricity and Petrification), Low-light Vision, SR 38
Saves: Fort +31 (+7+10 [Insight] + 14 [Con]), Ref +28 (+7 + 10 [Insight] +11 [Dex]), Will +33 (+7 + 10 [Insight] + 16 [Wisdom])
Abilities:
Str 10 +14 (Ghaele)+15 (Paragon)+5 (Inherent)= 44 (+17)
Dex 10 +2(Ghaele)+15 (Paragon)+5 (Inherent)= 32 (+11)
Con 14 +4 (Ghaele)+15 (Paragon)+5 (Inherent)= 38 (+14)
Int 15 +6 (Ghaele)+15 (Paragon)+5 (Inherent) = 41 (+15)
Wis 14 +6(Ghaele)+15 (Paragon)+5 (Inherent)+2 (level)=42 (+16)
Cha 14 +6(Ghaele)+15(Paragon)+5 (Inherent)=40 (+15)
Skills*: (12x21 [252][Ghaele 1-9HD] + 1x23 [23][Ghaele 10 HD])(275 Skill Points) (132 Skill Points Remaining)

Animal Empathy 13+15 (Cha)+10 (Competence) = +38
Bluff (cc) 6.5+15 (Cha)+10 (Competence) = +31.5
Craft (Armorsmith) 13+15 (Int) + 10 (Competence) = +38
Craft (Weaponsmith) 13+15 (Int) + 10 (Competence) = +38
Craft (Woodcarving) 13+15 (Int) + 10 (Competence) = +38
Concentration 13+14 (Con)+ 10 (Competence) = +37
Diplomacy (cc) 6.5+15 (Cha)+10 (Competence) = +31.5
Disguise (cc) 6.5+15 (Cha) + 10 (Competence) = 31.5
Escape Artist 13+11 (Dex) + 10 (Competence) = +34
Gather Information (cc) 1+15 (Cha)+10 (Competence) = +26
Heal (cc) 6.5+16 (Wis)+10 (Competence) = 32.5
Hide 13+11 (Dex) + 10 (Competence) = +34
Innuendo (cc) 1 + 16 (Wisdom) + 10 (Competence) = +27
Intimidate (cc) 6.5+15 (Cha)+10 (Competence) = +31.5
Intuit Direction (cc) 1 + 16 (Wisdom) + 10 (Competence) = +27
Knowledge (Religion) 13+15 (Int) + 10 (Competence) = +38
Knowledge (Arcana) 13+15 (Int) + 10 (Competence) = +38
Knowledge (The Planes) 13+15 (Int) + 10 (Competence) = +38
Listen 13+16 (Wis) + 10 (Competence) = +39
Move Silently 13+11 (Dex) + 10 (Competence) = +34
Perform (Sing) (cc) 1.5+15 (Cha)+10 (Competence) = +26.5
Profession (Herbalist) 1+16 (Wis) + 10 (Competence) = +27
Sense Motive 13+16 (Wis) + 10 (Competence) = +39
Spellcraft (cc) 1+15 (Int) + 10 (Competence) = +26
Spot 13+16 (Wis) + 10 (Competence) = +39
Survival/Wilderness Lore (cc) 6.5+16 (Wis)+10 (Competence) = +32.5
Tumble (cc) 1+11 (Dex) + 10 (Competence) = +22

*+10 Competence Bonus on all Skill Checks (Factored into all listed skills)
Feats:
1: Quick Change (Savage Species)#
3: Eschew Materials
6: Jack of All Trades (S&S)
9 :Sacred Spell (DotF)
2 Epic (Paragon): Additional Magic Item Slot (?), Energy Resistance (Sonic)#

#[Accounted in stats]
Alignment: Chaotic Good

Celestial Qualities:

Protective Aura (Su): As a free action, ghaeles can surround
themselves with a nimbus of light having a radius of 20 feet.
This acts as a double-strength magic circle against evil and as a
minor globe of invulnerability, both as cast by a sorcerer of 25th
level (10HD + 15 Paragon). The aura can be dispelled, but the
celestial can create it again as a free action on its next turn.

Tongues (Su): All celestials can speak with any creature that
has a language, as though using a tongues spell cast by a 29th-
level (14th + 15 Paragon) sorcerer. This ability is always active.

Spell-Like Abilities (Sp)- At will: aid, alter self, charm monster, color spray, comprehend languages, continual flame, cure light wounds, dancing lights, detect evil, detect thoughts, dispel magic, hold monster, improved invisibility (self only), major image, see invisibility, and teleport without error (self plus 50 pounds of objects only); 1/day-chain lightning, prismatic spray, and wall of force. These abilities are as the spells cast by a 27th-level (12th+15 Paragon) sorcerer (save DC 38 [25 + 13 Paragon] spell level)
3/day-greater dispelling,haste. These abilities are as the spells cast by a 15th-level sorcerer.

Spells: Ghaeles in humanoid form can cast divine spells from the cleric list and the Air, Animal, Chaos, Good, and Plant domains as 14th-level clerics (save DC 39 [26 + 13 Spell level] + spell level).

Spells Per Day 0-6 1- 9 2 9 3-8 4-8 5-6 6-6 7-5
Spells Prepared
Level 0

Level 1

Level 2

Level 3

Level 4

Level 5

Level 6
Heal

Level 7

Gaze (Su): In humanoid form-slay evil creatures of 18 (5HD + 13 Paragon) or fewer HD, range 60 feet, Will negates DC 30. Even if the save succeeds, the creature is affected as though by a fear spell for 2d10 rounds. Nonevil creatures, and evil creatures with more than 18 HD, must succeed at a Will save (DC 30) or suffer the fear effect.

Positive Energy (Ex): The ghaele’s incandescent weapon deals an additional 2d6+13 (insight) points of positive energy damage to evil creatures.

Light Ray (Ex): A ghaele in globe form can project light rays with a range of 300 feet. Damage 2d12+13 (insight)

Alternate Form (Su): A ghaele can shift between its humanoid and globe forms as a move-equivalent action. In humanoid form, it cannot fly or use its light rays, but it can use its gaze attack and spell-like abilities, make physical attacks, and cast spells. In globe form, it can fly, use its light rays, and use spell-like abilities, but it cannot cast spells or use its gaze attack.
A ghaele remains in one form until it chooses to assume a new one. A change in form cannot be dispelled, nor does the ghaele revert to any particular form when killed. A true seeing spell, however, reveals both forms simultaneously.


Equipment 6,300,000 gp
5x137500 +5 Tomes ( 687500gp ) (Intelligence at 16th level)
Tatto of Enhancement (512 000 gp) (+6 Enhancement Bonus to Strength,Dexterity,Intelligence,Wisdom and Charisma)
Tear of Arvandor (+1 Evil OutsiderBane,Lawful OutsiderBane,Chaotic,Holy,Keen Longsword) (200 000 gp)


Edit- Well, thats the crunchy bit mainly done (need to buy some items and enhance some of the items already possesed a bit more), now for history.

 

[Kalanyr]

I think I messed up the Ghaele would be ECL 20 + 16 = 36 wouldn't it ?

 

[djrdjmsqrd]

Ok, yes please.

Email; djrdjmsqrd@yahoo.com (use a good subject please)

AOLIM: djrdjmsqrd

I am more then willing to play back-up. I will work on a concept/character.

I will most likely lurk during the game as well.

Djordje

 

[Dark Eternal]

Not to be a pest, but does anyone have a definitive answer on this? It will determine much about my equipment revision and future purchases... thanks in advance!

Sorry I missed this last time through... if the armor does not possess any Epic abilities (ie, +5 max enhancment bonus, +5 max special abilities), then it is priced according to the DMG. If it exceeds these limits in any way, it has to be priced according to the Epic Handbook (which is a simple x10 modifier, I believe.)

Hope that helps. Email me with particulars if it doesn't, and we'll work it out.

Originally posted by Kalanyr
Thanks Dark Eternanal but
I'm not sure I understand you about the Paragon wouldn't a Paragon Human Fighter 1 be

1 (HD) + 16 (LA) = ECL 17 ?

So which of the following would be ECL 32:

Paragon Ghaele Eladrin
Paragon Elf Fighter 2/Wizard 3/Mage of the Arcane Order 4/Bladesinger 6 (The T&B Web Enhancement Bladesinger)
Paragon Elf Fighter 2/Wizard 2.

In all probabilitiy I'm interested in playing a paragon.

Ok, of the ones you listed, the fighter/Wizard/Mage/Bladesinger would be the closest to 32 level. To clarify (in part, at least) the character's level and ECL aren't the same thing. A character who has an ECL that is different then his Character Level uses the char level for everything except determing experience to reach next level, and current xp. These are calculated using the higher ECL number. Basically, in my previous example, the Paragon human fighter is a 17th level character (my error, I apologize) but would have the xp of a 28th level character, and would have to earn 28,000 xp to reach 17th level.

Unfortunately, the Ghale Eladrin is too high level to make a Paragon out of. However, if you'd like to use a different character concept for now, then when the average party level reaches the point where the Eladrin could enter play (I think this would likely be about level 38 - I'd have to spend some time doing some serious crunching with the Savage Species guide to say for sure), then you could introduce him at that point.


To everyone: I apologize again for the slowdown here.... I'm working 12 hour days so far this week, and it's wiping me out pretty thoroughly. We're changing out the entire computer system for the 4 radio stations that I work for... it's an absolute Abyssal mess. I didn't expect to actually be involved in any of this, but...

At any rate, we'll be done by this weekend. So please, stick with me everyone, and things will pick up here, soon.

I'd still like to see some character backgrounds, and I'd particularly like you all to discuss the details of your character's shared experiences. I'll be posting a LOT of information here in a few days, as soon as I can sit down at the computer and stay awake long enough to type it in. This will, I hope, provide a framework for you to develop your characters in - I realize that 32nd level characters shouldn't be created in a vacuum.

I'm gonna go, now - have to be back at work in 5 hours, and haven't slept yet. Calim, sorry I missed you tonight - I'll make it up to you. Expect an email from me tomorrow, hopefully in the morning (but I can't promise it'll be that early. I will try, though).

Everyone else, if you still have questions, post here and I'll do my best to slip in long enough to answer them. Alternatively, you can always email me.

Please leave an email address, if you haven't posted one already! In the event that things stay kind of slow on this thread for the next couple of days, I will want to be able to establish contact with everyone via email when I get my weekend figured out. Thank you!!!

And thanks for your patience. I'll do my best to make it worth the trouble - I promise.

 

[Dark Eternal]

Oh - I almost forgot:

I think I found an Epic Craftsman class on the WotC web site called the Master Arcane Artisan. I'm not certain I'll use it I just want to get it approved while I'm thinking about it. Here is the reference.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20030314a


Keia

[Edit] My only suggestion for the class would be for the Skill focus Requirement to be Spellcraft rather than Knowledge Arcana. This will match it up with the Arcane Lord and the Loremaster.

I'll agree with you on your suggestion, and you can consider it approved. I rather like the angle, actually.

Catch you all later. (falling asleep at keyboard is so uncool!)

 

[Kalanyr]

If a Paragon Ghaele is ECL 38, I think I'll change concepts and stick to it, since most of the other characters seem on par with/tougher than the Paragon Ghaele already.

I'll try and come up with something in 24 hours or when I finish the Uni Project I'm working on tonight.

edit- Email address: warhotel@flexi.net.au