Immortals Handbook - ASCENSION

[WarDragon]

Hey WarDragon dude!

Howdy!

Yes, but those Granted Powers are just placeholder.

Fair enough.

Yes, but in lieu of predicting each immortals HD for the table, I just listed the minimum. Which is:

Minimum suggested HD for that Divine Status + Divine Rank x2 (single portfolio)/+ Divine Rank x3 (double Portfolio).

Therefore A Lesser God has a caster level of 48, 56 with a single portfolio and 64 with a double portfolio.

Why does every lesser god have to have the same CL? Why wouldn't a 48 HD Lesser God cast the spell-likes at CL 48, and a 60 HD Lesser God cast them at CL 60?

All Gods have between 1-4 domains.

They have 2 Portfolios (which may be the same) and a possible 2 alignments.

Seems a bit limiting, compared to the standard method. I don't think a cleric fanatically devoted to a single god should have to pray to different ones to get a variety of domains to choose from.

It costs the immortal a divine ability to redress the balance.

I don't understand. This divine ability makes the existing imbalance worse. Everyone's already saying that wizards are better than sorcerers (a position I don't agree with, but I see where they're coming from); you're taking away the sorcerer's only advantage other than sheer number of spell slots. Your Total Recall ability makes a wizard into a sorcerer who can change his spells known every day.

 

[Pssthpok]

@ WarDragon. It's all optional, though. If you want CL = HD, implement it. If you don't like Total Recall, nix it. Done and done.

 

[Ltheb Silverfrond]

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Why does every lesser god have to have the same CL? Why wouldn't a 48 HD Lesser God cast the spell-likes at CL 48, and a 60 HD Lesser God cast them at CL 60?
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'Tis a good point when you think about deities with non-standard Hit-Dice. U_K's random deity generation table puts things on average half way between it's minimum and the minimum for the next tier. To those on the lower end of the tier, its a boon: its powers are potent against foes. At the high end, the deity would need to be more reliant on it's divine powers rather than it's spells because EL+0 foes with average SR would laugh their magic away. A pretty good incentive to move up to the next Divine Tier, huh?
U_K!

The portfolio section looks to be awesome!
It has everything you need to build a faith. I like the favored time section; in my homebrew campaine my Cleric and Paladin PCs are always asking when the next holiday is. Soon I will be able to answer. (Once I make up a calender)
With the favored animal, do you plan on listing 2 for each portfolio? (One Natural, the other Supernatural?)

Oh, you probably already know this, but in the Cosmic powers section, you seem to have "lost" Critical Mass.

And your addition of "Shield" in your effects section intrigues me. What is it, like a counter? (Ex If you have a gravitic shield up it would reduce the effectiveness of Gravitic effects by X HD?)
Or is it more like the Violet layer of the Prismatic Wall/Sphere? Anything that "Makes it" through is safe and can come through, everything that doesn't... (Reminds me of a d20 future idea: Build a wall of Anti-Matter in space blocking a major space trade route. Contain it in a gravitic/magnetic/whatever field, and then cloak the sucker! Pointless, and a waste of money, but somewhat funny)

 

[Upper_Krust]

UK,

Hi there!

Did you update last night?

Yes. I just didn't update my website to confirm it - apologies for that.

How many more updates do you anticipate?

2-3 more for the text.

I've also managed to get an artist to help with the illustration workload - so hopefully that will get finished quicker.

Thanks,

My pleasure.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Thanks for the feedback Rhuarc!

Howdy!

Hiya WarDragon mate!

Why does every lesser god have to have the same CL? Why wouldn't a 48 HD Lesser God cast the spell-likes at CL 48, and a 60 HD Lesser God cast them at CL 60?

The problem with rating it like that is that you cannot do a table which breaks down caster level/epic spell DC etc.

So if you want to go ahead and revise caster level thats okay - in fact I would go along with it.

Seems a bit limiting, compared to the standard method. I don't think a cleric fanatically devoted to a single god should have to pray to different ones to get a variety of domains to choose from.

I don't see what the problem is here. Clerics only get 2 domains.

I don't understand. This divine ability makes the existing imbalance worse. Everyone's already saying that wizards are better than sorcerers (a position I don't agree with, but I see where they're coming from); you're taking away the sorcerer's only advantage other than sheer number of spell slots. Your Total Recall ability makes a wizard into a sorcerer who can change his spells known every day.

Then all we need is a divine ability that makes a sorcerer into a wizard to redress the balance.

I am sure I have stated many times that I see the arcane spellcasting classes ultimately becoming one. Hence the reason for the Enlightenment/Ensorcelled Cosmic abilities.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Ltheb dude!

'Tis a good point when you think about deities with non-standard Hit-Dice. U_K's random deity generation table puts things on average half way between it's minimum and the minimum for the next tier. To those on the lower end of the tier, its a boon: its powers are potent against foes. At the high end, the deity would need to be more reliant on it's divine powers rather than it's spells because EL+0 foes with average SR would laugh their magic away. A pretty good incentive to move up to the next Divine Tier, huh?

As I have mentioned before, the trick is to make something complicated, simple.

U_K!

The portfolio section looks to be awesome!

Well it will be when its done.

It has everything you need to build a faith. I like the favored time section; in my homebrew campaine my Cleric and Paladin PCs are always asking when the next holiday is. Soon I will be able to answer. (Once I make up a calender)
With the favored animal, do you plan on listing 2 for each portfolio? (One Natural, the other Supernatural?)

Yes.

I also added Favorite Class and Typical Quote to those lists.

Oh, you probably already know this, but in the Cosmic powers section, you seem to have "lost" Critical Mass.

Navigating that chapter is like being hit with a maze spell, thats why its taking so long. Thats why I don't have it finished yet (even though I thought I was within a day or two of having it done - a week ago).

And your addition of "Shield" in your effects section intrigues me.

What is it, like a counter? (Ex If you have a gravitic shield up it would reduce the effectiveness of Gravitic effects by X HD?)

Or is it more like the Violet layer of the Prismatic Wall/Sphere? Anything that "Makes it" through is safe and can come through, everything that doesn't...

To be honest I am not sure yet whether I want deities to be immune to anything unless they have the appropriate portfolios. So the Shield may or may not make it into the final build. One other idea was to make it a 'Shell' so that it would be like a prismatic sphere (as you say), but I still don't know how useful that is, storm/aura is better and with Uncanny *** Mastery you can pick and choose who gets targeted.

(Reminds me of a d20 future idea: Build a wall of Anti-Matter in space blocking a major space trade route. Contain it in a gravitic/magnetic/whatever field, and then cloak the sucker! Pointless, and a waste of money, but somewhat funny)

The appliance of science - eh?

 

[dante58701]

So the Nosferatu is going to look human, though it will have definitive bat-like traits such as wings sprouting from it's back (or you might make it's arms into wings) and it's hair will have long since been worn away to smooth gray skin? If that the cas eit sounds interesting. Although I hope they'll have the ability to assume an alternate form identical to their mortal form and have both forms be considered their true form. Kindalike the way a ghaele has it's humanoid and it's globe of light form. You could also give them a form where they become a pool of blood, in addition to various swarm forms and gaseous form.

You could also give them the ability to use their own shadows as though they were a shadow demon familiar or maybe even give them the ability to assume some horrid demonic form, ect.

They could control blood, animating it, even if it is inside another individual, cause blood to ignite, ect.


A plethora of bat, blood, rat, spider (webbing), and undead style abilities come to mind. Admittedly many of these could be spell-like abilities, though the possibilities are endless.

Just throwing out some ideas. Hope they help a bit.

 

[Angel of Adventure]

UK,

I just got your Bestiary and its really cool. If I get Ascension, do I get the updates emailed to me, or do I get them from your/Enworld site?

Thanks,

AoA

 

[poilbrun]

If I get Ascension, do I get the updates emailed to me, or do I get them from your/Enworld site?

If you click on the GameStore! link on the top of the page (just below the banner ad) and then click on Wishlist & Bookshelf in the drop-down menu that appears, you'll come on a page with the list of all products you have purchased at the EN World store. Next to it is a button "Download" on which you can click to download a product. If the product has been updated since the last time you downloaded it, the button will read "Updated*" and you can simply click on it to download the updated version.

 

[dante58701]

I love that rodent, its adorable all rubbing it's face like that. I hope krusty makes some epic bats, rats, spiders, and wolves to go with the Nosferatu....or something of the sort.

Perhaps krusty can do a vampire/entomanothrope hybrid of some sort.

So many ideas ...so little time.

Science Portfolio - That's gonna be interesting...cant wait.