Immortals Handbook - ASCENSION

[poilbrun]

Hey Everyone,

What kind of Events would be needed to lead for a epic wizard CR 51 to ascend to Time lord Divine status? This is going to happen in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.

Thanks.

Seeing that a timelord needs 1,000,000,000,000,000 Quintessence and that an event with a rating of 240 can only affect 5,000,000,000 people and that no event can generate more WP than the total population affected, without even taking into account that it is already far above what a CR 51 wizard could probably handle, I'd say it would be hard for your wizard to jump from non-immortal to timelord.

If we take a CR 51 opponent with a +30 CHA modifier, the ER would be 81 and could affect 10,000,000 people. Assuming favorable modifiers, your wizard would only have to defeat 100,000,000 of those opponents to reach timelord status.

Let the eradication begin!

 

[rjtrotter]

Seeing that a timelord needs 1,000,000,000,000,000 Quintessence and that an event with a rating of 240 can only affect 5,000,000,000 people and that no event can generate more WP than the total population affected, without even taking into account that it is already far above what a CR 51 wizard could probably handle, I'd say it would be hard for your wizard to jump from non-immortal to timelord.

If we take a CR 51 opponent with a +30 CHA modifier, the ER would be 81 and could affect 10,000,000 people. Assuming favorable modifiers, your wizard would only have to defeat 100,000,000 of those opponents to reach timelord status.

Let the eradication begin!

Thanks for the reply! I know it's going to be a Very hard time, but it would make for a memorable campaign that would likely rock the campaign world even if it doesn't work. The basic events I am think of besides slugging it out with 100,000,000 CR 51 beasties would be stopping a demon invasion of the prime, going to the Far Realms to stop a cosmic-power level threat, etc.

 

[Cheiromancer]

What you need is a being with super high charisma who is threatening an ant-hill of a few quadrillion micro-beings (as per dante's rules above). Thwart the threat, gain the worship of the micro-beings and you are all set!

I'm sure there is some exploit over at the optimization boards whereby one can get an indefinitely high Charisma.

 

[Fieari]

You might want to consider allowing the three different types of quintessence to stack instead of overlap, and then make the event grant multiple types of quintessence. I'd imagine that there'd be a SIGNIFICANT portion of that from draining quintessence from nodes or powerful artifacts.

Effecting enough people to gain sufficient glory to become a timelord with a single event is, to my mind, impossible. Even if the event spanned multiple parrallel worlds, there's just too many people that not only have to be directly affected, but also be of the same alignment, same race, religion, and the real limiting factor: same country. Just not going to happen.

Alright. So lets say that by having the event span enough parrallel worlds, you can get enough people. How many people would you need? Assuming: You fight in your own name, and everyone is directly affected by the event. The people are of different races, different nations, different alignments, and different religions, but none are directly opposed to you. That means you'll get 6.25% of the number of people affected in glory. You'll need to directly affect 16 quadrillion people.

It seems that ever doubling of an event rating multiplies the max population effected by 10.

Target: 1.6 x 10^16

ER ~160 = 1 x 10^9
ER ~320 = 1 x 10^10
ER ~640 = 1 x 10^11
ER ~1280 = 1 x 10^12
ER ~2560 = 1 x 10^13
ER ~5120 = 1 x 10^14
ER ~10240 = 1 x 10^15
ER ~20480 = 1 x 10^16
ER ~32768 = 1.6 x 10^16

A level 51 wizard, in U_K's v5 Appendix, is EL 23, and can potentially, as an INSANELY DIFFICULT battle, succeed against EL 27, which would be up to an ECL 111 foe (WotC CR 74). That foe would have to somehow have a charisma bonus (bonus, not score: bonus) of +32694 in order for this to affect this size population.

Note that you still have to affect that size population to get the glory needed.

 

[historian]

What kind of Events would be needed to lead for a epic wizard CR 51 to ascend to Time lord Divine status? This is going to happen in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.

Interesting, I don't know if you like comic books but the original Infinity Gauntlet series has Thanos ascending from a Greater Deity to at least a Stage II Demiurge.

This is ascension through Resonance and Power though, not glory. I don't think he had a sincere worshipper in the bunch, not even Mephisto, although Thanos arguably continued to worship Death long after he surprassed her.

I see this character's journey requiring serious artifacts in any event or maybe a deep, dark prophecy.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Sledge mate!

If the new oBS store doesn't figure cancel this rate hike I believe that e23 has a rate of 20% and will be staying there.

Thats certainly one possibility I am looking into. They don't appear to have any startup fees either (or at least I saw no mention of them), which is always a plus.

As long as there are no start up fees I see no problem joining with any webstore.

Although I definately need to sort out an automated service for the website because I am just throwing away money otherwise.

 

[rjtrotter]

You might want to consider allowing the three different types of quintessence to stack instead of overlap, and then make the event grant multiple types of quintessence. I'd imagine that there'd be a SIGNIFICANT portion of that from draining quintessence from nodes or powerful artifacts.

Effecting enough people to gain sufficient glory to become a timelord with a single event is, to my mind, impossible. Even if the event spanned multiple parallel worlds, there's just too many people that not only have to be directly affected, but also be of the same alignment, same race, religion, and the real limiting factor: same country. Just not going to happen.

Alright. So lets say that by having the event span enough parallel worlds, you can get enough people. How many people would you need? Assuming: You fight in your own name, and everyone is directly affected by the event. The people are of different races, different nations, different alignments, and different religions, but none are directly opposed to you. That means you'll get 6.25% of the number of people affected in glory. You'll need to directly affect 16 quadrillion people.

It seems that ever doubling of an event rating multiplies the max population effected by 10.

Thanks for the reply. I would want to use every source of quintessence I can with most of it coming from 'Power' and some from 'Glory' over two different cosmos using the Diablo II 3.0 adventure, with some entities from the Far Realm being involved. It involves a large incursion of demon's invading two parallel prime world, Toril and the Diablo prime world. In the end the character would have depopulated a hell type plane with millions of demons and destroying 3 demon lords at demi-power level. It would also involve absorbing the Heaven, prime, and hell planes in the Diablo cosmos, at the end. Also gaining as much power from Epic/ Artifact-level magic items as possible from both cosmses...

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi dante mate!

That isn't quite feasible when your character is a microbeing in a normal reality. Especially since his party members are also microbeings, exploring the vast cavernous regions of the nose of the wizard who made them so small. To them...dustmites are like umberhulks. So Ive decided to go with a decimal system, since it doesn't make much since to go into negative scores. Microbeings dont have 0 or even less than 0, they have less than 1, but more than 0 for 0 equates to no ability score. This way is makes it all easier to calculate too.

Well I suppose it deppends how often this micro-universe stuff is going to show up in your campaign. Although, if you ask me its easier to just add a few size categories than take them away.

Just an idea...try a microdwarf and have it mine for gold in a normal dwarf's ear.

Lets just hope the dwarf washes his lug-holes out.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi rjtrotter!

Glad to see Ascension is already inspiring you.

Thanks for the reply! I know it's going to be a Very hard time, but it would make for a memorable campaign that would likely rock the campaign world even if it doesn't work. The basic events I am think of besides slugging it out with 100,000,000 CR 51 beasties would be stopping a demon invasion of the prime, going to the Far Realms to stop a cosmic-power level threat, etc.

Well if you can't earn it, steal it!

I always liked the idea that Zagyg imprisoned the nine gods in Castle Greyhawk so that he could siphon some of their quintessence (using epic spells/artifacts), which in turn made Zagyg a demi-power.

 

[rjtrotter]

Interesting, I don't know if you like comic books but the original Infinity Gauntlet series has Thanos ascending from a Greater Deity to at least a Stage II Demiurge.

This is ascension through Resonance and Power though, not glory. I don't think he had a sincere worshipper in the bunch, not even Mephisto, although Thanos arguably continued to worship Death long after he surprassed her.

I see this character's journey requiring serious artifacts in any event or maybe a deep, dark prophecy.

Well it is worth looking in to gaining power from artifacts and the like, also gaining resonance by absorbing different planes of existence after killing the demon lords that control them, and the freeing the population of a whole planet as the main event. With using the 3 types of quintessence I think it is possible...