Immortals Handbook - ASCENSION
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First of all, I'm sorry; I forgot to mention that I really do like the format, and can't wait to see the finished Portfolios.
I agree that Fighter levels are probably more appropriate, even if Sorcerer would be more powerful... what about Cleric, as sort of a compromise? As to his artifacts, I'm sure some "generic" ones wouldn't be too bad, like full plate and maybe a belt of strength.
Didn't mean to sound huffy about the Destruction-Lawful thing, there's just a lot of established Lawful deities that have it...
I agree that Fighter levels are probably more appropriate, even if Sorcerer would be more powerful... what about Cleric, as sort of a compromise? As to his artifacts, I'm sure some "generic" ones wouldn't be too bad, like full plate and maybe a belt of strength.
Didn't mean to sound huffy about the Destruction-Lawful thing, there's just a lot of established Lawful deities that have it...
Upper_Krust
Legend
Hi Pssthpok mate! 
Sorry dude.
Pssthpok said:
Sorry dude.
Upper_Krust
Legend
Hiya mate!
No apologies necessary mate - I appreciate all constructive criticism.
Doesn't seem to fit his modus operandi.
I was going to give him (the Avatar) something called the Dragon Throne - based on the D&Dg illustration of Surtur.
Like who...just curious...?
WarDragon said:
No apologies necessary mate - I appreciate all constructive criticism.
WarDragon said:
Doesn't seem to fit his modus operandi.
WarDragon said:
I was going to give him (the Avatar) something called the Dragon Throne - based on the D&Dg illustration of Surtur.
WarDragon said:
Like who...just curious...?
Servitor of Wrath
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Off the top of my head, both Hextor and Bane are LE deities with the Destruction domain. A quick check through Complete Divine also turns up Tiamat (LE) and St. Cuthbert (LN).Upper_Krust said:
Upper_Krust
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Hey guys!
I can always change Surtur over if you think its a big deal.
Last night I worked out the artifacts and abilities for everyone up to Abraxas.
Actually having the most trouble with the two weakest characters: Morgan Le Fey (Sorceress 16, Disciple, ECL 21) and Yanauluha (Cleric 22, Druid 11, Prophet, ECL 43).
Morgan Le Fey: Robes (of the archmagi), Ring (of protection), Dagger (poisonous), Bracers (of armor)...? I'll have to go watch Excalibur again.
Yanauluha: Necklace (of wisdom), Bracers (of armor), Headress? Weapon?
Everyone else up to Dagda has 4 finished artifacts. Surtur has 1. Algol has 0. Metatron has 2. Abraxas has 2+. Dabbat has 0. Tetragrammaton...somehow I don't think he'll need them.
No-Cha is actually complicated in terms of his abilities. He has 3 faces (2 divine abilities) and 8 arms (3 divine abilities) and is Gargantuan sized (technically another 3). So thats 8 divine abilities, but hes only a demigod...I'm sure I'll sort something out.
I can always change Surtur over if you think its a big deal.
Last night I worked out the artifacts and abilities for everyone up to Abraxas.
Actually having the most trouble with the two weakest characters: Morgan Le Fey (Sorceress 16, Disciple, ECL 21) and Yanauluha (Cleric 22, Druid 11, Prophet, ECL 43).
Morgan Le Fey: Robes (of the archmagi), Ring (of protection), Dagger (poisonous), Bracers (of armor)...? I'll have to go watch Excalibur again.
Yanauluha: Necklace (of wisdom), Bracers (of armor), Headress? Weapon?
Everyone else up to Dagda has 4 finished artifacts. Surtur has 1. Algol has 0. Metatron has 2. Abraxas has 2+. Dabbat has 0. Tetragrammaton...somehow I don't think he'll need them.
No-Cha is actually complicated in terms of his abilities. He has 3 faces (2 divine abilities) and 8 arms (3 divine abilities) and is Gargantuan sized (technically another 3). So thats 8 divine abilities, but hes only a demigod...I'm sure I'll sort something out.
Fieari
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Ark of the Covenent? The Ten Commandments themselves? Burning Bush (able to talk to mortals without having their heads explode)?Upper_Krust said:Tetragrammaton...somehow I don't think he'll need them.
Yeah, he might not NEED them, but...
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? Tree of Life? Could a time lord have a lesser god as an artifact?
When giving deities extra abilities, to compensate them for their complete lack of interest in Artifacts, do they lose those extra abilities if they use an artifact, or do they simply gain an increased challenge rating and level adjustment.
Another question...Cosmic Firmament as detailed under sidereals is totally different from Cosmic Firmament as detailed under Cosmic abilities. Which ruling is correct?
The same applies for other abilities, like Transcorporeal, while still others just simply dont exist anymore. Where did Fecundity and Unreal go?
Just a few proof reads. Hope this helps a bit. As it stands Im waiting for the final version before making a time lord.
Though I might just play a demiurge for giggles. Imagine, a guy who wanders around and is not only one with the universe...but is the universe and more.
Sidenotes:In instances where creatures (such as the amidah) have wish at will. I find it preferable to give them Alter Reality since Wish essentially makes them beg for divine intervention. Wishes are granted by deities in our campaigns. I just cant see Amidah dropping to one knee and begging for help. I very much like the version of Alter Reality that lets you mimic any spell, rather than the version that requires you to Wish for things. We still have the house rule that gods grant their own wishes, mortals cannot. Thus Wish is a liability for any Amidah or Akalich. Though we can see some Akalich using wish to bargain with the gods for favors, so we kept it for that purpose. We do think, however that some Akalich may have Gate rather than wish, for the purpose of Gating in more powerful minions and the like.
I also give creatures the prerequisites for their abilities. Like...for example...Evil Eye...I give them Inner Eye as well, rather than implying that they don't have both abilities. I find it adds to game balance and fluidity. And it keeps the other players from bickering over the precise details of whether or not prerequisites are also acquired.
In most circumstances, these house rules do very little to change the overall flavor of the templates or their power, and makes it easier to make such creatures.
Another note, Luck for the Amidah...we made it Fortuity x60, which is exactly the same thing. We figured it was a logical update. Ill send you our houserules updated Amidah and Akalich templates...just to see what you think.
Anyhoo...Great Work...Keep it up, we know ur wracking ur brains trying to finish everything on time.
Another question...Cosmic Firmament as detailed under sidereals is totally different from Cosmic Firmament as detailed under Cosmic abilities. Which ruling is correct?
The same applies for other abilities, like Transcorporeal, while still others just simply dont exist anymore. Where did Fecundity and Unreal go?
Just a few proof reads. Hope this helps a bit. As it stands Im waiting for the final version before making a time lord.
Though I might just play a demiurge for giggles. Imagine, a guy who wanders around and is not only one with the universe...but is the universe and more.
Sidenotes:In instances where creatures (such as the amidah) have wish at will. I find it preferable to give them Alter Reality since Wish essentially makes them beg for divine intervention. Wishes are granted by deities in our campaigns. I just cant see Amidah dropping to one knee and begging for help. I very much like the version of Alter Reality that lets you mimic any spell, rather than the version that requires you to Wish for things. We still have the house rule that gods grant their own wishes, mortals cannot. Thus Wish is a liability for any Amidah or Akalich. Though we can see some Akalich using wish to bargain with the gods for favors, so we kept it for that purpose. We do think, however that some Akalich may have Gate rather than wish, for the purpose of Gating in more powerful minions and the like.
I also give creatures the prerequisites for their abilities. Like...for example...Evil Eye...I give them Inner Eye as well, rather than implying that they don't have both abilities. I find it adds to game balance and fluidity. And it keeps the other players from bickering over the precise details of whether or not prerequisites are also acquired.
In most circumstances, these house rules do very little to change the overall flavor of the templates or their power, and makes it easier to make such creatures.
Another note, Luck for the Amidah...we made it Fortuity x60, which is exactly the same thing. We figured it was a logical update. Ill send you our houserules updated Amidah and Akalich templates...just to see what you think.
Anyhoo...Great Work...Keep it up, we know ur wracking ur brains trying to finish everything on time.
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Upper_Krust
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Hi Fieari mate!
All a bit pedestrian.
Ark of the Covenant I'd probably have as a Pantheon Artifact of the Canaanite Gods.
The Ten Commandments are a bit too close to the Tablets of Destiny - the Pantheon Artifact of the Mesopotamian Gods. Also the Ten Commandments are meant to be within the Ark of the Covenant - so there is no point 'double-dipping'.
Burning Bush, sounds like an Avatar of El (Canaanite Skyfather).
I know, I like sticking to the four artifacts, even if the DM doesn't want to use any or all of them - at least I have a few new artifacts for people to use.
A Time Lord could have a Greater God as an artifact. Which is interesting - I suppose beings could have Monsters/Gods/Creatures as an indelible part of their 'make-up'.
Fieari said:
All a bit pedestrian.
Ark of the Covenant I'd probably have as a Pantheon Artifact of the Canaanite Gods.
The Ten Commandments are a bit too close to the Tablets of Destiny - the Pantheon Artifact of the Mesopotamian Gods. Also the Ten Commandments are meant to be within the Ark of the Covenant - so there is no point 'double-dipping'.
Burning Bush, sounds like an Avatar of El (Canaanite Skyfather).
Fieari said:
I know, I like sticking to the four artifacts, even if the DM doesn't want to use any or all of them - at least I have a few new artifacts for people to use.
Fieari said:
A Time Lord could have a Greater God as an artifact. Which is interesting - I suppose beings could have Monsters/Gods/Creatures as an indelible part of their 'make-up'.
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