Lame Prestige Classes

Anti-Sean said:
Genius! This must be created!

That sounds *way* better than the Caltrop Master PrC I created as an in-group joke from the last campaign I was in. (Our greatsword wielding half-orc barbarian, had an unhealthy obsession with caltrops. He'd spend several rounds of each combat spreading caltrops, lighting smokesticks, and such, and he was our main melee powerhouse. *sigh*) :)

Hey yeah! I had a player like that once back in 2nd Ed. Days. He was physically the toughest, strongest character of the group… Yet he spent the vast majority of his time thinking of “clever” things to do with fire- most of which was not directly helpful or even damaging to the enemies. Just annoying and destructive. Maybe there should be a “Pyroboy” PrC class for these players? Or perhaps just an “Obsessed” PrC class that can chose specializations such as "fire" or "caltrops?"
 

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There aren't many prestige classes I like, but the overall concept doesn't bother me, and some of them are quite cool. I've got no grudge with the assassin class. I think that people who are outraged over the spell-use are just touchy about the over-all prevelence of spell use, more-so than there being anything inherently outrageous about a magic assassin. (Which, I agree, gelds well with the dmg description, which makes it clear that it isn't a generic "kill-for-hire" class)

As for the issue of giving classes and prcs spells in general...I understand how it seems lazy and lame, but it's really done because it's so convenient to fall back on the existing rules for mystical abilities--The assassin spell list, for instance, is small, focused, and flavorfull, taking a subset of spells from multiple class list (and shuffling spell levels in some cases) to give each assassin access to a pool of assorted mystical abilities potentially useful to a determined and subtle killer. I mean, you can give a prc a quasi-invisibility special ability, or you can just reference the invisibility spell. Same for other appropriate abilities already well covered by phb spells.

I see giving prcs these sort of limited, unique, spell lists (rather than actual caster level advancement) as shorthand for "mysterious mysticism/magic utilized by this class" as opposed to representing formal training as a priest or wizard. Just because they utilize existing spell and spellcasting mechanics doesn't mean the flavor can't be anything you want, especially when you're talking about a limited pool of powers and a caster level that doesn't stack with any other class.

Granted, just making a class who gets a handful of spells is incredibly lame, but I haven't noticed limited spell-casting used that way. Spellcasting isn't the defining feature of the Assasin prc, for example, it's just a way of rounding out it's abilities. (And expanding them even, through the addition of assassin specific spells in some splatbooks)
 
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This Assassin thing is driving me completely nuts.

Online Etymology Dictionary said:
Assassin
1531 (in Anglo-L. from c.1237), via Fr. and It., from Arabic hashishiyyin "hashish-users," pl. of hashishiyy, from hashish (q.v.). A fanatical Ismaili Muslim sect of the time of the Crusades, under leadership of the "Old Man of the Mountains" (translates Ar. shaik-al-jibal, name applied to Hasan ibu-al-Sabbah), with a reputation for murdering opposing leaders after intoxicating themselves by eating hashish. The pl. suffix -in was mistaken in Europe for part of the word (cf. Bedouin).

The word already means a mystically oriented sect of killers. The more common "killer for hire" usage derives from that sect.

For that matter:
Dictionary.com said:
Thug
n.
1. A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
2. also Thug One of a band of professional assassins formerly active in northern India who worshiped Kali and offered their victims to her.

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[Hindi hag, perhaps from Sanskrit sthaga, a cheat, from sthagati, sthagayati, he conceals. See (s)teg- in Indo-European Roots.]
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thugger·y n.
thuggish adj.

There have been plenty of mystically oriented sects of killers in the history of the world. So can we please quit listening to people whining that words are being used in their original sense?
 

Andor said:
The word already means a mystically oriented sect of killers. The more common "killer for hire" usage derives from that sect.

Oh come now. Are you honestly suggesting that the assassin in the DMG represents a sect that existed on some world called "Earth" in 1531?

That's the etymology of the word. For common usage of the word, the assassin is a hired killer and lacks mystical overtones.
 

Psion said:
Oh come now. Are you honestly suggesting that the assassin in the DMG represents a sect that existed on some world called "Earth" in 1531?

That's the etymology of the word. For common usage of the word, the assassin is a hired killer and lacks mystical overtones.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that was what he was saying. I think he was just saying that the common usage doesn't fully match the origin, so don't get hung up on one concept being right.

Though I do agree that either way the concept does not fit with mystical powers.

The name of the class is far to generic for its abilities.
I agree with the above that this class is fine, but should be called "Black Art Assassain", or "George's Gang of Killers Inititate" or whatever.

It would be ok to have an "Assassain" PClass, but if it is going to have a generic name it better have flexible and generic abilities.
 

Aus_Snow said:
No-one wants to tell me how (or why!) PrC's are leaping over big fish? OK then. It will only rattle my brain for a while. Don't let it bother you. *sigh*

Mouseferatu said:
A few years ago, it became popular net slang to refer to anything whose heyday was over, and was now all bad or downhill, as having jumped the shark.


glass said:
Although, IMO, 'leaping over big fish' sounds much cooler. I think we shopuld all use that from now on! :D

glass.


So, "jumped the shark" has now jumped the shark? :lol:
 


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