Metamagick'ed spell + metamagic rod?

[Corsair]

Simple question I think:

If I prepare an Empowered Fireball (5th level slot), is it still eligible for use with a Lesser Metamagic Rod? It still technically counts as a 3rd level spell correct? (in terms of saving throws, whether a globe of invulnerability stops it, whether a metamagic rod can be used on it, etc)

 

[Hypersmurf]

Simple question I think:

If I prepare an Empowered Fireball (5th level slot), is it still eligible for use with a Lesser Metamagic Rod? It still technically counts as a 3rd level spell correct? (in terms of saving throws, whether a globe of invulnerability stops it, whether a metamagic rod can be used on it, etc)

It counts as a 5th level spell for whether it fits in a wand or potion, how much space it takes up in a Ring of Spell Storing, how much it costs to scribe as a scroll...

... pretty much anything having to do with items.

I would rule that no, a Lesser Rod won't affect it; you'd need a Rod or Greater Rod to handle the higher metamagicked level of the spell.

-Hyp.

 

[Jdvn1]

/agrees with Hyp. Saving throws, it counts as a 3rd level spell. GoI and Metamagic Rods, 5th.

 

[Corsair]

/agrees with Hyp. Saving throws, it counts as a 3rd level spell. GoI and Metamagic Rods, 5th.

I was under the impression that for a GoI, it still counted as 3rd (akin to how augmented psionics still counted as their original level also)

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Are we talking Globe of Invulnerability? Then yes, it still counts as a 3rd-level spell. The only way to increase that it with the Heighten Spell metamagic feat.

 

[Corsair]

Thats what I thought. Basically my assumption for all of this is this line:

An empowered spell uses up a spell slot two levels higher than the spell’s actual level.

It says it uses up a slot two levels higher, but never says it actually changes the level of the spell. So the question is do the rods care what slot you used to cast the spell?

 

[green slime]

Thats what I thought. Basically my assumption for all of this is this line:



It says it uses up a slot two levels higher, but never says it actually changes the level of the spell. So the question is do the rods care what slot you used to cast the spell?

Yes. Answer is already provided above by Hypersmurf.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Yes. Answer is already provided above by Hypersmurf.

Well, my answer's more extrapolation and opinion than anything else.

It's not explicitly stated...

-Hyp.

 

[Corsair]

I have no problem with Hypersmurf's response, but as he said, it is really more of an opinion. I'm looking to see if anyone knows of anything in the rules which specifically states one way or the other. As it is, they are treated differently by different aspects of the rules, so I want to see if I can get a definite answer rather than conjecture.

( No offense to Hypersmurf of course, just looking for a rules-quote type answer)

 

[green slime]

Well, my answer's more extrapolation and opinion than anything else.

It's not explicitly stated...

-Hyp.

And where would the world be if everything had to be explicitly stated....