Order of the Bow Initiate is INCREDIBLY broken.

Re: Re: Order of the Bow Initiate is INCREDIBLY broken.

kigmatzomat said:


Ahh, the error is found. You have too much loot grasshopper.

At 12th level you've got 3 stat adjustments (4,8,12). Assuming 18s in dex (19 from elf) and wis and you max out at 20s in both. Assuming two +6 stat buff items (36k gp ea=72k gp) you're at 26 (+8).

Total cost for listed items is about 82,000gp out of a typical wealth of 88,000gp for 12th level. Exactly how do you plan on getting the extra +4 to two stats in 6,000gp?

First of all, it is possible to roll an 18 and 16 (depending on how your DM rolls stats). These are the stats I had. In addition, not all stat increases come from items. An empowered cat's Grace, or even a normal and a +2 magic item could easily get these stats and more.
 

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I disagree with your criticisms. A lot depends on who you play with, of course.

If you make your spell-casters feel like they are the most important people in the adventuring company, they may very well cast a lot of buff spells on the archer and melee types. If you don't make the spell casters feel very important, they may compensate by not casting many buff spells and instead going for the firework spells (such as fireball, which are usually less effective than buffing the party combat machines).

Transforming a fighter type (melee or missile) into a combat killing machine requires close cooperation between spell casters and fighter types. Spells like: Haste, Bulls Strength, Cats Grace, Owls Wisdom, Endurance, Bless, Prayer, Recitation, Bear's Heart, GMW, Magic Vestment, Keen Edge, Fly, etc. are necessary.

But combined with the proper selection of feats and magic items, the party can end up with a min-maxed melee/missile killing machine that can destroy enemies 5+ ELs above the party EL.

Tom

Rackhir said:


Speaking from practical experience you are underestimating the difficulty of persuading a cleric/wiz to part with 2 GMW a day. I a group with both a wiz and a cleric, I was only rarely able to persuade them to give me two for my archer. There are a ton of extremely useful third level spells and they are not going to want to spend a sigificant chunk of them simply buffing the archer so he can kill everything while they sit back and twiddle their thumbs. Other characters are also going to want buffs and GMWs as well, especially if you are the only one getting to do anything because of your buffs.

Your character also takes advantage of a flaw in creating high level characters. You don't have to take the feats and stats that would enable you to survive until you hit the level your character was designed for. Your exceptionally high wisdom is largely useless until you hit level 7? of OoBI, which is a substantial discouragement to creating characters of that type at 1-3rd level and then trying to get them to survive up until you hit sufficient level for your "broken" combination to actually kick in.

Unless you have an outragous number of high stats you probably also don't have very good HP given that you are an Elf and have put your two highest scores in to Dex and wis. This does mean that you are susceptible to being taken out on the first round as you probably only have 65-70 hp, given your -2 con mod (assuming average rolls and no stat bonus). There are a number of monsters at those CR ratings that can crank that out in a single round (Giralions and the Mooncalf in Nightfang Spire spring to mind...).

Furthermore in my experience running an archer, you will only get that <30' shot in about half the time, which means that your bonuses do drop substantially a significant percentage of the time.
 

Tidus4444 said:


Silvermarch book? What book is this, and where can I find it?

It is the Silver Marches Book for Forgotten Realms.
My bad on the spelling and misleading.


My point about the 150th character...... everyone will always see a class as broken or it tooo munchkin like.

Deal with the class as is. and don't worry about...
"oh the ranger is weak or the monk got shafted.."
This is a game, enjoy it how it was designed or make one.


my 2 cents....
 

Skullfyre said:

Deal with the class as is. and don't worry about...
"oh the ranger is weak or the monk got shafted.."
This is a game, enjoy it how it was designed or make one.

Soooo... nothing is broken then?

Okay, we have a winner here, shut down the rules forum. It's all settled here. Nothing to see here, you can all go home.

;)
 

Numion said:


Soooo... nothing is broken then?

Okay, we have a winner here, shut down the rules forum. It's all settled here. Nothing to see here, you can all go home.

;)

Sure,let's beat everything with a whiffle bat and make sure it is dead. Since nothing seems to want to die here
*ponders if everything regenerates worse than an Uber Tarrasque*
;)
 

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