D&D (2024) PHB 2024 Is Hilariously Broken. Most OP of All Time?

[mamba]

Commercially I think WotC has been on the right track since 3e

3e sales dropped off fast, just like 1e and 2e before it, and 4e after it. They only really cracked that with 5e

 

[mamba]

Ray of Frost has been in the game since day 1. No one complained about it.

it is a limited resource, you maximally cast that about as often in a day as your fighter attacks in a round (yes, it is a cantrip now, it wasn’t on day 1)

 

[HaroldTheHobbit]

3e sales dropped off fast, just like 1e and 2e before it, and 4e after it. They only really cracked that with 5e

True. On the other hand they are milking for all it's worth now, happy times

 

[tetrasodium]

The number of people saying that the gm should just not allow X or change Y demonstrates the reason why so many of the issues raised in this thread are such a problem. Eventually there are so many obvious problems being fixed by the GM that the lack of proper errata is in itself an indication that X & Y are the deliberate rules as intended.

 

[Ulorian - Agent of Chaos]

Once the Rubicon was crossed, it was just a short hop and a skip to bards and that co-worker that says, "Hot enough for ya?" right before they microwave their fish for lunch.

But right after they finished clipping their toenails at their desk. May or may not be based on a true story.

 

[A2Z]

All this hand ringing is ridiculous. All of you acting like every edition didn't have exploits people who feel the need to 'win' at D&D can use are silly. Maybe you're right though, these are the exploits that are going to ruin D&D forever. This site doesn't have a rolleyes smiley big enough to express my sarcasm.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Which for me means people missed the point of the class. Fighters (and the like) have a ton of AC and HP, that's their special power. Not to mention better "to hit" values and an extra attack (usually).

Those are NOT special powers.

Even oDD knew that and gave them a ton of magic items to compensate.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Commercially I think WotC has been on the right track since 3e, but have refined the process with 5e. Release edition with lots of broken stuff, let the fan debate rage for a while, make errata but keep most broken stuff. While the debate temp keeps on being high, release a supplement book with even more broken stuff and a good amount of power creep, temperature rises again. Keep the new book-rising debate cycle going until the edition is milked out, then release half-edition, rinse and repeat until it's time for another full edition. Share holder value keeps improving, everyone rejoice.

Edit: And of course it will be easier to refine and raise the tempo of the commercial cycle with a digital format as standard. Good stuff.

If they wanted 'debate', they would have kept the edition with the one clear exploit that was immediately patched by the fanbase explodicated itself over due mostly to fabrications and exaggerations.

 

[DarkCrisis]

Still less than than all the buffs you could stack in 3e.

Im talking from a DM perspective and keeping track of various monsters and their different conditions and HPs. DMing is already hard enough without adding more to do. The Fighter and Wizard can keep track of their own stuff.

 

[DarkCrisis]

Take Graze, be a Champion and call it a day.


You mean like 2014 barbarian, fighter, and monk would all just stand around hitting and being hit?

Yea, we didn't need 10 ways to do that. Champion and Beserker are enough.

And Ray of Frost has been in the game since day 1. No one complained about it.

Because it was one source and not 3.

MORE is not always BETTER.