Could be great! What I REALLY hope it's not is "let's take these great characters down a peg or 2" as seems to be the trend in recent Star Trek!
Star Trek Picard season 2 (spoilers maybe unmarked)
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Could be great! What I REALLY hope it's not is "let's take these great characters down a peg or 2" as seems to be the trend in recent Star Trek!
S2E6
This is an ok episode...until you remember that it is built on nothing other then "lets do a Picard show". Enjoy the show, but don't think about the horrible broken useless characters that really don't have anything much to "save"...except Elf Boy.
WHY does anyone in Picard WANT to "save" the future? No reason...
WHY is the future even broken...err.....borg and supspace wedgie and um time travel and um...Q there for NO reason...and um.....vague sort of plot.
Oh...no hope Picard does not die...again....and get magicaly saved....again (as we know he is in season 3 right, wink wink)
Er, so guess the borg queen unlocked the handcuffs with keyed nanoprobes?
OK...so the borg queen nanites....um...knock out the lights.....ok.
So...um...so do nanites also give Jeriti a great singing voice?
And...umm...how does Jeriti or the borg queen even KNOW a 20th century song?
And WHERE does that spot light come from? Nanite spot light?
And big AND...um....just HOW does the band just HAPPEN to know the song? And WHY exactly do they just RANDOMLY play the song?
And if the song was a distraction.....why would any security watch and listen to the song?
So Evil Adam has a huge lab FULL of all sorts of chemicals? Wonder why he can't just give Renne something. Even something simple....like the flu or Covid or such would keep her out of space, right?
So Picard is stuck in that really dumb looking mom dream...sigh, guess we will waste more time on that.
But we do get to see the pretty doctor again
And gosh hope the Borg don't take over 2024.....
DataAdamLore shows up to be evil....and I really hate the "save the girl" motivation. It's such a cheat and cop out "oh Adam is not a bad guy, he just wants to help his daughter." Just make him a bad guy with no whiney stuff.
This is an ok episode...until you remember that it is built on nothing other then "lets do a Picard show". Enjoy the show, but don't think about the horrible broken useless characters that really don't have anything much to "save"...except Elf Boy.
WHY does anyone in Picard WANT to "save" the future? No reason...
WHY is the future even broken...err.....borg and supspace wedgie and um time travel and um...Q there for NO reason...and um.....vague sort of plot.
Oh...no hope Picard does not die...again....and get magicaly saved....again (as we know he is in season 3 right, wink wink)
Er, so guess the borg queen unlocked the handcuffs with keyed nanoprobes?
OK...so the borg queen nanites....um...knock out the lights.....ok.
So...um...so do nanites also give Jeriti a great singing voice?
And...umm...how does Jeriti or the borg queen even KNOW a 20th century song?
And WHERE does that spot light come from? Nanite spot light?
And big AND...um....just HOW does the band just HAPPEN to know the song? And WHY exactly do they just RANDOMLY play the song?
And if the song was a distraction.....why would any security watch and listen to the song?
So Evil Adam has a huge lab FULL of all sorts of chemicals? Wonder why he can't just give Renne something. Even something simple....like the flu or Covid or such would keep her out of space, right?
So Picard is stuck in that really dumb looking mom dream...sigh, guess we will waste more time on that.
But we do get to see the pretty doctor again
And gosh hope the Borg don't take over 2024.....
DataAdamLore shows up to be evil....and I really hate the "save the girl" motivation. It's such a cheat and cop out "oh Adam is not a bad guy, he just wants to help his daughter." Just make him a bad guy with no whiney stuff.
I think you're being a bit uncharitable!
Plus the alternate future they found themselves in seemed to be a living hell, especially for those not of a very specific mindset.
And as importantly, because it's the right thing to do - that's always a star trek goto
Because Q is a plot device, that's how he works. Though I'm not particularly thrilled with Q as an actual antagonist (if, in fact, that's what's going on) Q doesn't really work as an antagonist!
And these are all "well because plot..." Frankly I've seen much worse and at least this seems to be going to some interesting places!
Well, the future is where they have all their stuff!
Plus the alternate future they found themselves in seemed to be a living hell, especially for those not of a very specific mindset.
And as importantly, because it's the right thing to do - that's always a star trek goto
Because Q is a plot device, that's how he works. Though I'm not particularly thrilled with Q as an actual antagonist (if, in fact, that's what's going on) Q doesn't really work as an antagonist!
That's basically a problem with ANY main character on ANY show. The real question is: will the process of his recovery be interesting.
And these are all "well because plot..." Frankly I've seen much worse and at least this seems to be going to some interesting places!
Star Trek Picard 2: The Voyage Back to the First Contact With Soong.
Now with musical numbers!
I've really liked this season so fat, but this is the first episode I didn't like much. I didn't hate it, but it kinda felt like it was treading water. And next week is a dream sequence/flashback of Picard's childhood? I'm not looking forward to that much either!
Still, TNG reunion for s3 I AM looking forward to!
Still, TNG reunion for s3 I AM looking forward to!
Hit it!
Why does anyone want to fight the Nazis? What are the Allies motivation?
The probes made Agnes stronger (presumably tougher, too, since she didn't injure herself). Rios notes how strong she is later in the episode.
They generated an EMP. It's in the dialogue.
And why can Christopher Walken dance so good?!!!
Have you never met a nerd? A college buddy of mine could recite some of Beowulf in Old English. Heck, I can quote a 400+ year-old play from memory:
"T'is a tale told by an idiot
full of sound and fury
signifying nothing."
It's a ritzy gala with a full band on stage. Did you really need to see Chekhov's Spotlight?
Jurati started singing a capella. They followed along. Granted, it was way too polished.
Because it was an astounding thing. Even for the TV audience at home!
Because they would just postpone the mission? The plan is to make her give up. To choose fear over bravery and hope. A Picard choosing something might be the theme this season...
I agree about the mom dream. The way they're shot doesn't really work for me.
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Ryujin
Legend
It's more complex than that. He's not saving his daughter. He's saving his life's work. Quite literally. We're coming up on the Eugenics War. She is a genetic construct. A vat grown human, with 'enhancements.' Apparently his experiments were less than successful, because she has survived the longest of any that he has created. She was the last that he could create because his funding was pulled, and he was outcast from academia. it's all there in the episode.
It's not love that makes him want to save her. It's pride. And hubris.
Willie the Duck
Hero
This brings up a though I had for a while. When Picard began, we got to see a wrecked Romulan civilization, along with good-guy and neutral-framed Romulans. It would have been an interesting time to check in on Commander Sela -- she could continue to be dangerous antagonist, could have been a broken wreck, could have been simply made irrelevant and drinking in a bar slurring 'I ushed ta be a somebudy!' It would have been a perfect time to utilize Denise Crosby.
As we've learned more and more about the toxicity that plagued the Berman and Braga era, the less and less I trust the old adages that such and such actor/actress left for personal reasons/was a ____ <negative term>/wanted more than a TV supporting role. Crosby's supposed 'I'm going to go be a movie star' thing seems 1) an incredibly skewed account, and 2) honestly the kind of (admittedly petulant) retort you might make when leaving a nightmare job. Of all the actors that left the show, she got the double indignity of being killed off (so harder to bring back as a regular, say, McFadden) right before TNG show blew up in popularity, and having negative connotations about her circulated throughout the fandom.
Regardless, it's too bad they haven't used her as Sela, and it's too bad it sounds like Season 3 will bring back Burton, Dorn, Frakes, Sirtis, and Spiner, but not Crosby or Wheaton (who also kinda got the shaft on the show, although in that case for the more innocent 'writers didn't know how to write for a child character').
MarkB
Legend
You understand what quarantine is and why it's there, right? Anything she catches now, she'll have recovered from by the time the mission launches.
I know the makers of Picard hate Star Trek and just spam out the show for money. And they don't know and don't care about Star Trek lore and history.
But.....
The Eugenic wars took place in the 90's . 2024 is right before World War Three.
CoreyHaim8myDog
Explorer
So, Tallinn is Laris, right? That's why she uses Romulan tech? And is Renee really the one being watched? And Soong seems way more important to the alternate timeline than she does.
If she is not, then they need to explain why Tallinn casually makes reference to a mind meld in order to explain something else.
Snarf Zagyg
Notorious Liquefactionist
I just watched the episode last night. Have to say that I'm pretty much on the same wavelength as what Morris posted above.
I've enjoyed the season. I admit I haven't been very demanding of it, but it's been fun. But this was the first episode where I started looking at my phone during the episode. It just didn't hold my interest. More importantly, the "fun" and enjoyment (aka, suspension of disbelief) that normally papers over the rough spots just didn't work here, to the extent that the whole Queen/Blackout/Spotlight/Singing just ... it didn't work. At all.
So- we'll see. It wasn't terrible, but it was definitely my least favorite episode yet.
I've enjoyed the season. I admit I haven't been very demanding of it, but it's been fun. But this was the first episode where I started looking at my phone during the episode. It just didn't hold my interest. More importantly, the "fun" and enjoyment (aka, suspension of disbelief) that normally papers over the rough spots just didn't work here, to the extent that the whole Queen/Blackout/Spotlight/Singing just ... it didn't work. At all.
So- we'll see. It wasn't terrible, but it was definitely my least favorite episode yet.
Ryujin
Legend
Yes, The Eugenics War took place in the '90s, according to TOS. The problem is that we have 30 years of history in the real world to account for since then. So in terms of continuity, not actual years, The Eugenics War should be coming up. As they say, "Records from this time are spotty, at best." We're presented with someone who is actively trying to make enhanced humans, so the logic follows.
Horwath
Hero
best thing about this episode is that is just under 39min.
At least they eased somewhat on useless filler.
last episode was 41mins.
If we calculate intro and outro credits, needless recap every single time, E06 useless and spoiling Picard jumps to future, cutting out some jiberish, episode 5&6 could have been one 55min episode like opening two.
But it is interesting that every single episode is shorter than that before it.
They are really running out of fillers
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run time: 38:51
recap: 3 minutes
intro theme: 2 minutes
end credits plus Jurati's useless walking scene 1:21
picards future foresight: about 0:45
total 31:45 of content.
At least they eased somewhat on useless filler.
last episode was 41mins.
If we calculate intro and outro credits, needless recap every single time, E06 useless and spoiling Picard jumps to future, cutting out some jiberish, episode 5&6 could have been one 55min episode like opening two.
But it is interesting that every single episode is shorter than that before it.
They are really running out of fillers
edit:
run time: 38:51
recap: 3 minutes
intro theme: 2 minutes
end credits plus Jurati's useless walking scene 1:21
picards future foresight: about 0:45
total 31:45 of content.
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CoreyHaim8myDog
Explorer
I'd guess the length of the last two episodes was intended as a pacing device for when the show is binged later on.best thing about this episode is that is just under 39min.
At least they eased somewhat on useless filler.
last episode was 41mins.
If we calculate intro and outro credits, needless recap every single time, E06 useless and spoiling Picard jumps to future, cutting out some jiberish, episode 5&6 could have been one 55min episode like opening two.
But it is interesting that every single episode is shorter than that before it.
They are really running out of fillers
MarkB
Legend
Twitches at having items deliberately placed in front of the screen
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