Special Conversion Thread: Lycanthropes and their ilk
Cleon
Legend
Updating the Weredragon (True Drakanthrope) Working Draft.
I went for the following for Size and Type:
Size and Type: The base creature's type does not change, but the creature gains the shapechanger subtype plus any subtypes possessed by the base dragon.
The base dragon can be any true dragon that can reach a size within one size category of the base creature. For example, a copper dragon can grow from a Tiny wyrmling to a Gargantuan wyrm or great wyrm, so the base creature of a copper weredragon can range from Diminutive to Colossal in size (i.e. from one size smaller than Tiny up to one size bigger than Gargantuan).
In dragon form, a weredragon can be the size of the base creature, the base dragon, or any size between the two, but defaults to whichever size is bigger.
Examples: a human wyrmling copper weredragon's dragon form is normally Medium size (the size of a human, its base creature) but can shrink to Tiny size (the size of a wyrmling copper dragon, its base dragon) or become Small (the size between Tiny and Medium). A gnome young gold weredragon's dragon form is normally Large (the size of a young gold dragon) but can shrink to Small (the size of a gnome) or become Medium (its intermediary size).
Weredragons can adopt a hybrid shape that combines features of the base creature and the base dragon. A weredragon's hybrid form can assume the same sizes as its dragon form.
Some weredragons are unable to shapechange into dragon form and are only able to adopt their base creature and hybrid forms.
A weredragon uses either the base creature or the base dragon's statistics and special abilities in addition to those described here.
The base dragon can be any true dragon that can reach a size within one size category of the base creature. For example, a copper dragon can grow from a Tiny wyrmling to a Gargantuan wyrm or great wyrm, so the base creature of a copper weredragon can range from Diminutive to Colossal in size (i.e. from one size smaller than Tiny up to one size bigger than Gargantuan).
In dragon form, a weredragon can be the size of the base creature, the base dragon, or any size between the two, but defaults to whichever size is bigger.
Examples: a human wyrmling copper weredragon's dragon form is normally Medium size (the size of a human, its base creature) but can shrink to Tiny size (the size of a wyrmling copper dragon, its base dragon) or become Small (the size between Tiny and Medium). A gnome young gold weredragon's dragon form is normally Large (the size of a young gold dragon) but can shrink to Small (the size of a gnome) or become Medium (its intermediary size).
Weredragons can adopt a hybrid shape that combines features of the base creature and the base dragon. A weredragon's hybrid form can assume the same sizes as its dragon form.
Some weredragons are unable to shapechange into dragon form and are only able to adopt their base creature and hybrid forms.
A weredragon uses either the base creature or the base dragon's statistics and special abilities in addition to those described here.
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Cleon
Legend
Okay, there's a couple of things to discuss.
Firstly, I assumed it could assume a hybrid form in the same ranges as its dragon form rather than the previous "A weredragon's hybrid form is the same size as the base creature or the base dragon, whichever is larger."
Are you OK with that?
Second, we need to figure out how the new range of dragon/hybrid form sizes affects its Abilities.
It seems easier figuring out how we'd like the numbers to work and reverse-design the rule from there.
Let's consider three weredragons: the example creatures of a human wyrmling copper weredragon and gnome young gold weredragon, plus a storm giant wyrmling silver weredragon as an extreme case.
Human Wyrmling Copper Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Human Warrior Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Wyrmling Copper Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12
Medium Humanoid Form: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Gnome Young Gold Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Gnome Humanoid Form: Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Young Gold Stats: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Small Humanoid Form: Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Storm Giant Wyrmling Silver Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Wyrmling Silver Stats: Str 13, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 14
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
EDIT: No, let's make it so the Storm Giant so it goes all the way down to Tiny. Say, Copper Wyrmling for the Giant Weredragon and a Brass Wyrmling for the Human Weredragon. Have updated the Weredragon (True Drakanthrope) Working Draft so the example Human Weredragon is Brass:
Human Wyrmling Brass Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Human Warrior Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Wyrmling Brass Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Humanoid Form: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Storm Giant Wyrmling Copper Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Wyrmling Copper Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Contrariwise, a more extreme edge case would use a Young Gold:
Storm Giant Young Gold Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Young Gold Stats: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Firstly, I assumed it could assume a hybrid form in the same ranges as its dragon form rather than the previous "A weredragon's hybrid form is the same size as the base creature or the base dragon, whichever is larger."
Are you OK with that?
Second, we need to figure out how the new range of dragon/hybrid form sizes affects its Abilities.
It seems easier figuring out how we'd like the numbers to work and reverse-design the rule from there.
Let's consider three weredragons: the example creatures of a human wyrmling copper weredragon and gnome young gold weredragon, plus a storm giant wyrmling silver weredragon as an extreme case.
Human Wyrmling Copper Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Human Warrior Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Wyrmling Copper Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12
Medium Humanoid Form: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Gnome Young Gold Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Gnome Humanoid Form: Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Young Gold Stats: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Small Humanoid Form: Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Storm Giant Wyrmling Silver Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Wyrmling Silver Stats: Str 13, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 14
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 20, Wis 24, Cha 19
EDIT: No, let's make it so the Storm Giant so it goes all the way down to Tiny. Say, Copper Wyrmling for the Giant Weredragon and a Brass Wyrmling for the Human Weredragon. Have updated the Weredragon (True Drakanthrope) Working Draft so the example Human Weredragon is Brass:
Human Wyrmling Brass Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Human Warrior Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Wyrmling Brass Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Humanoid Form: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Storm Giant Wyrmling Copper Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Wyrmling Copper Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Contrariwise, a more extreme edge case would use a Young Gold:
Storm Giant Young Gold Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Young Gold Stats: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str ##, Dex ##, Con ##, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
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Cleon
Legend
Okay, the easiest approach is to use the usual ability -10/11 rule for the default size (the largest size it can assume) and then have the smaller sizes apply standard modifiers for size category changes.
Well, not entirely standard. We decided not to use the normal Dexterity adjustments for size since the SRD True Dragons don't alter their Dex scores as they age.
Let's see how that would work:
Hmm, those numbers look more-or-less OK to me.
The Tiny Storm Giant Copper Weredragon is ridiculously strong for its size, but that might be a feature more than a bug.
I'd be inclined to drop the Constitution adjustments for size, since it'd be fiddly having to adjust the weredragon's Fort saving throw as it shrinks or grows.
Well, not entirely standard. We decided not to use the normal Dexterity adjustments for size since the SRD True Dragons don't alter their Dex scores as they age.
Let's see how that would work:
Human Wyrmling Brass Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Human Warrior Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Wyrmling Brass Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Humanoid Form: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 13, Dex 10, Con 10, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 17, Dex 10, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 21, Dex 10, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Gnome Young Gold Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Gnome Humanoid Form: Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Young Gold Stats: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Small Humanoid Form: Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 13, Dex 10, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 17, Dex 10, Con 16, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 20, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Storm Giant Wyrmling Copper Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Wyrmling Copper Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 23, Dex 14, Con 13, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 27, Dex 14, Con 15, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 31, Dex 14, Con 17, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 21, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 47, Dex 14, Con 25, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Storm Giant Young Gold Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Young Gold Stats: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 45, Dex 14, Con 25, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 53, Dex 14, Con 29, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Human Warrior Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Wyrmling Brass Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Humanoid Form: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 13, Dex 10, Con 10, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 17, Dex 10, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 21, Dex 10, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10
Gnome Young Gold Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Gnome Humanoid Form: Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8
Young Gold Stats: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Small Humanoid Form: Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 13, Dex 10, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 17, Dex 10, Con 16, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 20, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14
Storm Giant Wyrmling Copper Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Wyrmling Copper Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 23, Dex 14, Con 13, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Small Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 27, Dex 14, Con 15, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 31, Dex 14, Con 17, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 21, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 47, Dex 14, Con 25, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17
Storm Giant Young Gold Weredragon
Base Stats: Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11
Storm Giant Stats: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15
Young Gold Stats: Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Huge Giant Form: Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Large Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 45, Dex 14, Con 25, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form: Str 53, Dex 14, Con 29, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21
Hmm, those numbers look more-or-less OK to me.
The Tiny Storm Giant Copper Weredragon is ridiculously strong for its size, but that might be a feature more than a bug.
I'd be inclined to drop the Constitution adjustments for size, since it'd be fiddly having to adjust the weredragon's Fort saving throw as it shrinks or grows.
Cleon
Legend
Okay, how about I update with the following:
When it assumes dragon form, a weredragon's physical ability scores also improve. The base adjustments are equal to the base dragon's wyrmling ability scores –10 or –11 plus, if the dragon form is larger than the base creature, the weredragon's Strength and Constitution increase according to the Table: Changes to Statistics by Size in Dragon & Hybrid Form. If the ability improvement would be less than +8 Strength and +2 Constitution, the weredragon gains those adjustments instead. A weredragon in hybrid form modifies its physical ability scores by the same amount.
Table: Changes to Statistics by Size in Dragon & Hybrid Form
Default Size | Reduced Size | Strength | Natural Armor |
|---|---|---|---|
| Diminutive | Fine | Same | Same |
| Tiny | Diminutive | –2 | Same |
| Small | Tiny | –4 | Same |
| Medium | Small | –4 | Same |
| Large | Medium | –8 | –2 |
| Huge | Large | –8 | –3 |
| Gargantuan | Huge | –8 | –4 |
| Colossal | Gargantuan | –8 | –5 |
In addition, a weredragon may also gain ability scores increases by virtue of its extra Hit Dice.
Example: A young gold dragon is a Large dragon with Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17 and +13 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 comes to Str +14, Dex +0, Con +6. A gnome warrior is a Small humanoid with Str 13, Dex 11, Con 14. Therefore in default dragon form, a young gold weredragon gnome is a Large creature with Str 27, Dex 11, Con 20 and NA +13. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Medium it becomes Str 19, Dex 11, Con 20 and NA +11. If it shrinks to its minimum size of Small it has Str 15, Dex 11, Con 20 and NA +11.
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Cleon
Legend
Upon reflection, I'd better include mental abilities in the example, e.g.:
Example: A young gold dragon is a Large dragon with Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16 and +13 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 comes to ability improvements of Str +14, Dex +0, Con +6, Int +6, Wis +6, Cha +6 for a young gold weredragon, all of which are better than a true drakanthrope's minimum ability improvements. A gnome warrior is a Small humanoid with Str 13, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8. Therefore in default dragon form, a young gold weredragon gnome is a Large creature with Str 27, Dex 11, Con 20, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14 and NA +13. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Medium it becomes Str 19, Dex 11, Con 20 and NA +11. If it shrinks to its minimum size of Small it has Str 15, Dex 11, Con 20 and NA +11.
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Cleon
Legend
Hmm, an example that includes some minimum drakanthrope ability modifiers and just a two-step size range might be better, such as:
Or maybe mix it up a bit and use a giant in the example:
Do you have a preference between those two?
I like the idea of a Gold Weredragon Gnome that's Large in dragon form and am toying with the idea of including it as a sample creature.
However, a young or very young gold weredragon would likely not be a mundane 1st level warrior but have a few levels in some character class, or maybe a fair few levels. Am thinking about using the "stock NPC stats" from the DMG to make a 5th or 10th level gnome weredragon.
For a chromatic weredragon, I'm tempted to have a giant, either elemental-themed giant like a white weredragon frost giant and the aforementioned red weredragon fire giant, or going a bit wild and having a Huge giant such as a silver weredragon cloud giant or a red or gold weredragon storm giant (while a red dragon would match the 3E storm giant's environment, earlier edition storm giants lived on any climate of mountains, cloud castles or underwater so were like gold dragons in environment).
That said, I would also like to give the green dragon some love and do a green weredragon high elf, wood elf or forest gnome.
Guess we could do both if I'm feeling energetic.
Example: A wyrmling bronze dragon is a Small dragon with Str 13, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 14 and +5 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 comes to ability improvements of Str +8, Dex +0, Con +2, Int +4, Wis +4, Cha +4 for a wyrmling gold weredragon (note its Strength adjustment uses the true drakanathrope minimum of +8, not the Str +2 derived from Str 13 minus 10 or 11). A dwarf warrior is a Medium humanoid with Str 13, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 6. Therefore in default dragon form, a wyrmling bronze weredragon dwarf is a Medium creature with Str 21, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10 and NA +5. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Small it has Str 17, Dex 11, Con 16 and NA +5.
Or maybe mix it up a bit and use a giant in the example:
Example: A wyrmling red dragon is a Medium dragon with Str 17, Dex 10, Con 15, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10 and +6 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 and a weredragon's minimum ability improvements gives it Str +8, Dex +0, Con +4, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +2 for a wyrmling red weredragon (note that only its Constitution adjustment is better than the true drakanathrope minimum of +2). A fire giant is a Large giant with Str 31, Dex 9, Con 21, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 11 and +8 natural armor. Therefore in default dragon form, a wyrmling red weredragon fire giant is a Large creature with Str 38, Dex 9, Con 23, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 13 and NA +14. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Medium it has Str 30, Dex 9, Con 23 and NA +12.
Do you have a preference between those two?
I like the idea of a Gold Weredragon Gnome that's Large in dragon form and am toying with the idea of including it as a sample creature.
However, a young or very young gold weredragon would likely not be a mundane 1st level warrior but have a few levels in some character class, or maybe a fair few levels. Am thinking about using the "stock NPC stats" from the DMG to make a 5th or 10th level gnome weredragon.
For a chromatic weredragon, I'm tempted to have a giant, either elemental-themed giant like a white weredragon frost giant and the aforementioned red weredragon fire giant, or going a bit wild and having a Huge giant such as a silver weredragon cloud giant or a red or gold weredragon storm giant (while a red dragon would match the 3E storm giant's environment, earlier edition storm giants lived on any climate of mountains, cloud castles or underwater so were like gold dragons in environment).
That said, I would also like to give the green dragon some love and do a green weredragon high elf, wood elf or forest gnome.
Guess we could do both if I'm feeling energetic.
freyar
Extradimensional Explorer
I think post 1416 (all the magenta text) works ok. To clarify that the mental abilities don't change with a change in shape, I'd list the stats of the drakanthrope in base creature form, too, not just the normal stats of the base creature. So I'd list not just the gnome warrior stats but the states of the drakanthrope in gnome form, which has ability boosts.
Other than that, I'm not really bothered about which examples you want to include!
Other than that, I'm not really bothered about which examples you want to include!
Cleon
Legend
Actually, it doesn't, the "If the dragon form is larger" bit is completely ass-backwards.
It should be:
Abilities: A weredragon's mental ability scores improve according to its kind. These adjustments are equal to the base dragon's normal ability scores –10 or –11 or +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom and +2 Charisma, whichever is higher.
When it assumes dragon form, a weredragon's physical ability scores also improve. When in its default size, the base adjustments are equal to the base dragon's wyrmling ability scores –10 or –11. If the ability improvement would be less than +8 Strength and +2 Constitution, the weredragon gains those adjustments instead. If the weredragon assumes a dragon form smaller than its default size, the hybrid form's Strength and natural armor bonus are reduced according to the Table: Changes to Statistics by Size in Dragon & Hybrid Form. A weredragon in hybrid form modifies its physical ability scores by the same amount.
When it assumes dragon form, a weredragon's physical ability scores also improve. When in its default size, the base adjustments are equal to the base dragon's wyrmling ability scores –10 or –11. If the ability improvement would be less than +8 Strength and +2 Constitution, the weredragon gains those adjustments instead. If the weredragon assumes a dragon form smaller than its default size, the hybrid form's Strength and natural armor bonus are reduced according to the Table: Changes to Statistics by Size in Dragon & Hybrid Form. A weredragon in hybrid form modifies its physical ability scores by the same amount.
Agree about "showing all the work" for the examples by including the base creature form and the mental abilities. So we're talking:
Example One: A wyrmling bronze dragon is a Small dragon with Str 13, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 14 and +5 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 comes to ability improvements of Str +8, Dex +0, Con +2, Int +4, Wis +4, Cha +4 for a wyrmling bronze weredragon (note its Strength adjustment uses the true drakanathrope minimum of +8, not the Str +2 derived from Str 13 minus 10 or 11). A dwarf warrior is a Medium humanoid with Str 13, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 6. Therefore, in humanoid form a wyrmling bronze weredragon dwarf has Str 13, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10 and NA +2. In default dragon form, the dwarf weredragon is a Medium creature with Str 21, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10 and NA +5. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Small it has Str 17, Dex 11, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 13, Cha 10.
Example Two: A wyrmling red dragon is a Medium dragon with Str 17, Dex 10, Con 15, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10 and +6 natural armor bonus; applying –10 or –11 and a weredragon's minimum ability improvements gives it Str +8, Dex +0, Con +4, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +2 for a wyrmling red weredragon (note that only its Constitution adjustment is better than the true drakanathrope minimum of +2). A fire giant is a Large giant with Str 31, Dex 9, Con 21, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 11 and +8 natural armor. Therefore, in giant form a wyrmling red weredragon fire giant has Str 31, Dex 9, Con 21, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 13 and NA +10. In default dragon form the fire giant weredragon is a Large creature with Str 38, Dex 9, Con 23, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 13 and NA +14. If its dragon or hybrid form reduces in size to Medium it has Str 30, Dex 9, Con 23 and NA +12.
Writing the above, I realized we'd better update the Armor Class section as well.
How about:
Armor Class: Weredragons have their natural bonus increase by +2 in humanoid or giant form. In dragon form, a weredragon in its default size has a natural armor bonus equal to the base dragon's natural armor plus the base creature's natural armor or a +5 natural armor bonus, whichever is higher. In hybrid form, a weredragon's natural armor bonus is equal to that of its base creature form or dragon form, whichever is better.
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