Thanks, guys, you've ruined Haste for the rest of us.

[Hypersmurf]

If I was to be buffed by the wizard, I will prefer to receive one of the other spells I quoted rather than Haste (except perhaps mage armor, and, probably shield, since I may already have armor or shield). Especialy, if I'm a rogue, I will take Blink rather than Haste. I will take blink rather than two or three haste, in fact.

How does the wizard buff the rogue with Blink?

-Hyp.

 

[LokiDR]

I didn't ask Haste to allow wizard to overshadow everybody. I just ask Haste to be of the same power level than most other 3th level spell, such as circle of invisibility, fireball, fly, blink, or summon monster 3.
This one is a good comparison : a celestial bison will have the same number of attack than you gave to the fighter, but, as this is a new "member" in the party, the increase in power is obviously superior. (more global HP, possibility to flank, cover AC...)

Summon monster 3? A full round casting time for a creature that will not be as good as the fighter. I think the revised haste will be just as good for the fighter as blink. AC, movement, and an extra attack seems like a very good spell for fighters. I would perfer "extra attack or move equivelent" making it a better spell for more users.

 

[Caliban]

How does the wizard buff the rogue with Blink?

-Hyp.

A Rogue with blink on the gets their sneak attack with every attack. They just have a 20% chance of missing due to "blinking out" just before they strike.

 

[Hypersmurf]

A Rogue with blink on the gets their sneak attack with every attack. They just have a 20% chance of missing due to "blinking out" just before they strike.

I didn't ask how Blink helps a Rogue... I mean how does the Wizard cast it on the Rogue in the first place?

Range: Personal; Target: You.

A multiclassed Wizard/Rogue, obviously, can do it. A Rogue with UMD could pull it off. A Ring of Blinking, no problem.

But Aloïsius said "If I was to be buffed by the wizard, I will prefer to receive one of the other spells I quoted. Especialy, if I'm a rogue, I will take Blink rather than Haste."

How?

-Hyp.

 

[Quinn]

If I was to be buffed by the wizard, I will prefer to receive one of the other spells I quoted rather than Haste (except perhaps mage armor, and, probably shield, since I may already have armor or shield). Especialy, if I'm a rogue, I will take Blink rather than Haste. I will take blink rather than two or three haste, in fact.

Yeah, cause you wouldn't want that extra attack a round in addition to another AC bonus that stacks nicely with other spells....

 

[Caliban]

I didn't ask how Blink helps a Rogue... I mean how does the Wizard cast it on the Rogue in the first place?

Range: Personal; Target: You.

A multiclassed Wizard/Rogue, obviously, can do it. A Rogue with UMD could pull it off. A Ring of Blinking, no problem.

But Aloïsius said "If I was to be buffed by the wizard, I will prefer to receive one of the other spells I quoted. Especialy, if I'm a rogue, I will take Blink rather than Haste."

How?

-Hyp.

Three ways come to mind, four if you are a rogue:

1) Potion of Blink
2) Spell storing item, such as the "Vibrant Purple Prism" ioun stone.
3) Ring of Blinking
4) and if you are a rogue or bard: have the wizard scribe it onto a scroll or create a wand and hand it to you. By 9th level it should work about 75% of the time, if they have max ranks of Use Magic device, 5 ranks of Decipher script, and a 12 or higher charisma.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Three ways come to mind, four if you are a rogue:

Yup... but the potion, the ring, and the UMD aren't the wizard buffing the rogue, they're the wizard crafting for the rogue.

(Was there ever a final verdict on Personal-range potions? I've seen arguments, but I don't know what the official word is...)

The ioun stone would work.

-Hyp.

 

[Aloïsius]

Yeah, cause you wouldn't want that extra attack a round in addition to another AC bonus that stacks nicely with other spells....

If I have the choice, I will pick blink : 50% miss chance (that's better than the haste bonus to AC, most of the time, I think), half damage from most spells (except force effect), strike as an invisible attacker (bonus to hit and sneak attacks. Plus, if you have the famous expert tactician, another attack...), ability to quickly escape by passing throug thin wall or barrier, ability to strike pesky ethereal creature... Much more efficient on the defensive department, equally or more efficient in the offensive one, plus bonus abiliy. But YMMV

 

[Aloïsius]

I didn't ask how Blink helps a Rogue... I mean how does the Wizard cast it on the Rogue in the first place?

Range: Personal; Target: You.

A multiclassed Wizard/Rogue, obviously, can do it. A Rogue with UMD could pull it off. A Ring of Blinking, no problem.

But Aloïsius said "If I was to be buffed by the wizard, I will prefer to receive one of the other spells I quoted. Especialy, if I'm a rogue, I will take Blink rather than Haste."

How?

-Hyp.

Me wrong. I don't play enough single class rogue, think. And yes, the ring of blinking is one of my favorite item. Hum. This reduce the usefullness of blink, compared to haste, as a buff other spell. Not a big deal, buffing, while a respectable method is not the funniest thing to do, when you are a wizard (and that I'm sure of ).

 

[Pax]

How does the wizard buff the rogue with Blink?

-Hyp.

Though the rogue takes a miss%, s/he now "always denies theiropponent any Dex bonus to AC" -- enabling unlimited Sneak attack against creatures not able to see invisible and/or ethereal creatures.

Which is why the Ring of Blinking is the cheese item for a rogue to pray for.