I love how Zard continually attacks TLJ for making Rey a "Mary Sue" and Phasma a "chump" when Rey was even more perfect in Force Awakens and Phasma was even more of a chump.
I love Phasma, bc she isn't a chump, she's a self-serving villain. She probably doesn't give a damn about the 1st Order to begin with. THey should have left in the deleted scene where she shoots her own troops because Finn told them about how she sold out the Starkiller in order to have a chance at survival. I love seeing a villain who will sacrifice anyone and anything, for themselves. None of this "everyone is a hero in their own mind" crap. Some villains just don't care about anyone else.
Luke got some training, Rey didn't. Kinda like how the USA used truck components in the Sherman tank, if you could drive a Truck you could drive a Sherman almost. He even mentions the T-16 in the movie so you don't need a massive amount of explanation or logic. The OT heroes also got messed up, that is the difference Luke had his hand chopped off, Leia was wounded and captured, Han got chucked in carbonite and blinded. She never used a lightsaber before, picked one up and defeated Kylo Ren a trained dark jedi.
She didn't defeat Kylo, she held him off and got a decent strike in. After he was severely injured.
And she literally already was shown to be a competent fighter.
What training? Luke shows up at the rebel base, they put him in a top-of-the-line star fighter. And he has no significant mishaps - a big contrast with Rey's sloppy flying.
Rey, whose scrappiness with a staff we've already seen (by your Luke logic, we know she's had some training or can assume some skill), manages to hold off and get a couple of licks in on a badly wounded dark jedi, not a fresh one.
And I don't really know why you're bringing up Han and Leia's problems from the original trilogy - it's not like we aren't seeing similar things happen to Finn and Poe.
Luke is much more of a mary sue than Rey, insofar as either of them are, further insofar as the term even has any value.
It's so weird to see these same bunk points over and over and over again.
I think that there is sufficient evidence that there's a force-related piloting ability - Anakin, Luke, and Rey all show signs of it. They are the only uncannily good flyers we've seen.
Has is uncanny, I'd argue. Especially in hyperspace navigation. But yeah, the force users seems to able to just, fly stuff real good with no training.
Also, she already is familiar
with that ship, so we don't even need to speculate that she has the force piloting ability to make sense of her flying it. She just has to be a good pilot, with force tuned reflexes. She is so familiar with the ship, that she sees it as a piece of junk due to the modifications that have been made to it.
Also, people always bring up this idea that Leia "flies" in TLJ...what? No, she very obviously doesn't. She uses the Force to pull on the ship, just like Luke pulling a lightsaber to his hand (with no training in moving things with his mind) in Empire. Since she and the ship are both in 0 gravity, the force needed is incredibly small. THe Clone Wars cartoon also features a force user surviving in space for a bit, in one of the first episodes, if not
the first.
IT's just wild to me how many of the endlessly repeated arguments against TLJ are easily debunked, and yet keep popping up.