What do you think of the post-Endgame Marvel movies? [[the mega poll!]]

[Enevhar Aldarion]

The goats were good. The first few times. After that they fell into the zone of Waititi's one major failing: He'll flog a joke until it's not only well and truly dead, but the consistency of horse burger.

Yes, he proved that with way too much with Korg, but Korg is him, or he is Korg, so we were stuck with it. An edit removing the non-essential Korg interactions would make the movie so much better. And I am only talking about the main movie. The end bit where Korg finds a boyfriend is fine. Also, if you look at Taika's film timeline, the bigger he gets, and more control of a film, the worse this gets.

 

[pukunui]

Also, if you look at Taika's film timeline, the bigger he gets, and more control of a film, the worse this gets.

That's hardly unique to Taika ... nor even the film world. The bigger the artist (be they filmmaker, author, whatever), the less power the editors have to reign them in.

 

[Bagpuss]

Are any of the Marvel movies perfect movies?

I think Winter Soldier comes close.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

I'm with him. I enjoyed it too. Even the goats.

You both belong in prison along with the goats.

 

[DorkForge]

I didn't mind the goats, and it was a nice mythology callback, but like a lot of what Taika does, it could have done with being scaled back a bit.

 

[Voadam]

I really liked Ragnarok, for me it edged past Winter Soldier as the best of the MCU because of how much fun it was while still being a great action story. I was fairly disappointed in Love and Thunder, the goats were not enough to rescue it for me to an overall positive.

Thor's character took quite a beating in going from a mature self actualizing hero god with some humor to much more of a joke character in the two infinity wars movies and Love and Thunder. There were moving points like fat Thor with his mom and some real emotion about her and being worthy, but overall he turned mostly into a joke himself.

 

[GreyLord]

Fairly hard for me to make decisions on whether they were thumbs up or thumbs down on some of them. Some were more debatable. I ended up saying they were all good (those that I have seen, I didn't vote on the New Antman because I have not seen the new Antman movie) except Eternals and the new Doctor Strange.

This is where it gets hard though, the ONLY reason I said Eternals was bad was because I was terribly bored through out the movie. Doctor Strange was probably a decently well made movie, but I am not that much into Superhero horror so that was sort of a turn-off for me. It isn't that it's BAD per se, just not a good fit for me.

Wakanda Forever almost hits that as well...it could have probably been edited down a wee bit to make it a lil bit less long. I liked it overall though...so...it got a good (thumbs up) from me.

I don't think any of them have been particularly bad overall. Most are well made. That makes it hard to simply say...yeah or nay to them...at least for me.

But I voted all the same.

 

[MGibster]

The Goats should get their own Disney+ show.

You team them up with Madisynn and we've got a show.

 

[Bagpuss]

You team them up with Madisynn and we've got a show.

And Luis from Antman.

 

[Voadam]

This is where it gets hard though, the ONLY reason I said Eternals was bad was because I was terribly bored through out the movie.

Being terribly bored throughout the movie seems a reasonable basis to me to give it a thumbs down.

 

[Ryujin]

And Luis from Antman.

Luis needs his own show. Maybe in the style of a webcast new show, in which he does running commentary on superhero activities?

 

[Thomas Shey]

I didn't really actively dislike any of them, but I'm kind of conflicted about two (Eternals and Thor 4). I notice I mostly match up with the trendline here (though I'm in the minority about Quantumania, though its not quite as strong a trend there as with some of the others).

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I am not burned out on superheroes, but the post-Endgame movies have largely been "yep, that was definitely a movie."

I get the need/desire for a slow-burn rebuilding era, but a lot of this felt a little unfocused, which is weird, given how Fiege famously has creative control over everything going on in these movies. I think it would have been easy, and preferable, to have axed a number of these or made them one-hour one-shots on Disney+.

That said, I found most of the Marvel TV shows to be much better uses of my time -- and much better than the Star Wars shows other than Mando and Andor. Maybe, just maybe, everything doesn't need to be a movie.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Maybe it is just the CGI battle endings?

I almost threw my remote across the room when the otherwise wonderful WandaVision devolved into the typical 20 minutes of weightless CGI characters fighting in the last 20 minutes of the series.

When MCU definitively breaks out of that mode, it'll be a real innovation for them.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Astonished so many people thought Far From Home was good, I'm going to put it down to people being unsure if it was No Way Home, which was actually great, so they just voted for both. Far From Home was absolute drivel with one good scene and unfortunately demonstrated Holland's limitations as an actor, esp. up against Zendaya (very surprised but girl can act). No Way Home rocked and finally got Holland's Spider-Man into "actual Spider-Man" territory (whereas before he always seemed more like Iron Man Jr).

Shang-Chi was the only other one I'd actually call "good". The rest were middling at best. Particularly disappointed by Wakanda, because it had great visual design, a great cast, some cool ideas (revised Namor was great), and strong performances but a very weak throughline, terrible action sequences (oh my god the fight on the ship was absolutely cringeworthy - it felt like something from a bad stage-play), and a bland and vague "I guess we're all fine then" resolution to the conflict.

The Eternals was the most boring movie I've seen in years. Astonishing in the worst possible way. No chemistry between any of the characters/actors, either. That has to be on the director to some extent.

Thor: Love & Thunder was just really lazy, self-indulgent, and yet somehow also cut to pieces.

I mean, I agree with this but...

Also, if you look at Taika's film timeline, the bigger he gets, and more control of a film, the worse this gets.

We got a movie that had been severely edited. Like chunks of the film were missing Simpsons [SCENE DELETED]-style. So I don't think it's just Taika's big head, I think it's that + Marvel making bad decisions. Also, frankly, the stuff with cancer was crap, and I say that was someone with close family members who have had cancer. It was bad on multiple levels. When Archer, a gonzo drunk spy comedy manages to handle a cancer storyline 50x better than you do, in every way (honesty, subtlety, relevance, showing actual empathy and so on), you know you messed up.

Sad because it had brief moments when it was Ragnarok-levels of good and then immediately dumped them.

 

[DorkForge]

Astonished so many people thought Far From Home was good, I'm going to put it down to people being unsure if it was No Way Home, which was actually great, so they just voted for both. Far From Home was absolute drivel with one good scene and unfortunately demonstrated Holland's limitations as an actor, esp. up against Zendaya (very surprised but girl can act). No Way Home rocked and finally got Holland's Spider-Man into "actual Spider-Man" territory (whereas before he always seemed more like Iron Man Jr).

Shang-Chi was the only other one I'd actually call "good". The rest were middling at best. Particularly disappointed by Wakanda, because it had great visual design, a great cast, some cool ideas (revised Namor was great), and strong performances but a very weak throughline, terrible action sequences (oh my god the fight on the ship was absolutely cringeworthy - it felt like something from a bad stage-play), and a bland and vague "I guess we're all fine then" resolution to the conflict.

The Eternals was the most boring movie I've seen in years. Astonishing in the worst possible way. No chemistry between any of the characters/actors, either. That has to be on the director to some extent.

Thor: Love & Thunder was just really lazy, self-indulgent, and yet somehow also cut to pieces.

I mean, I agree with this but...

We got a movie that had been severely edited. Like chunks of the film were missing Simpsons [SCENE DELETED]-style. So I don't think it's just Taika's big head, I think it's that + Marvel making bad decisions. Also, frankly, the stuff with cancer was crap, and I say that was someone with close family members who have had cancer. It was bad on multiple levels. When Archer, a gonzo drunk spy comedy manages to handle a cancer storyline 50x better than you do, in every way (honesty, subtlety, relevance, showing actual empathy and so on), you know you messed up.

Sad because it had brief moments when it was Ragnarok-levels of good and then immediately dumped them.

I think love and thunder suffered from Jane not being in previous movies. They had to reintroduce her, showcase their romance, her becoming lady Thor, her struggle with cancer, and her departure all in one movie when it wasn't even the central plot. Her story would have been better addressed in a Lady Thor show, giving you time to see her find out, learn to deal with it, go to Asgard etc. without it being rushed flashbacks.
Also just not a fan of the kid ending, anything to do with children at the end, particularly Stormbreaker's fate.

 

[DrunkonDuty]

I think Winter Soldier comes close.

It's one of the best of the Marvel movies. It, Black Panther and Ragnarok are the 3 best for me. All different in their own ways. All good movies.

But perfect? None of them are perfect. There's not many perfect movies. Although I saw The Banshees of Inisherin just last night. That is a perfect film.

 

[Bagpuss]

Although I saw The Banshees of Inisherin just last night. That is a perfect film.

Funny my wife watched it and thought it was dreadful (to be fair she isn't much of a fan of the Marvel movies either).

 

[ART!]

I almost threw my remote across the room when the otherwise wonderful WandaVision devolved into the typical 20 minutes of weightless CGI characters fighting in the last 20 minutes of the series.

When MCU definitively breaks out of that mode, it'll be a real innovation for them.

It's one of the low-points of the season, creatively. At least the flying cgi Vision fight evolved into a philosophical debate.

 

[Voadam]

It's one of the low-points of the season, creatively. At least the flying cgi Vision fight evolved into a philosophical debate.

Vision versus Vision fighting with ship of Theseus discussions was fantastic.