TanithT
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And I take it you'd be totally okay if WotC filled the pages with semi-naked men rescuing totally naked men? Like, no women anywhere.
Well, I would be. That would be hot.

And I take it you'd be totally okay if WotC filled the pages with semi-naked men rescuing totally naked men? Like, no women anywhere.
First of all, pictures in D&D books aren't Art, they are Illustrations (this is a very important distinction, artists speak for themselves, Illustrators speak for their clients), despite they being commonly called art, illustrations aren't speech, they are instead communication tools, calling for more tame representations detracts nothing from the person drawing and painting them, they are free to depict whatever they want on their spare time.
PRUDE!!Well, I would be. That would be hot.However, I recognize that as much fun as it would be to have D&D cater to my personal tastes in who gets sexualized, it's not really appropriate to depict people who are supposed to be adventurers in a way that trivializes them into sexy objects for my viewing pleasure who aren't good for much of anything else.
Yes, I am serious. Prudery is the surface manifestation of deeply ingrained bigotry. And I maintain, some of the biggest prudes are also the worst hypocrites with their own skeletons. My wisdom over the years has taught me to ignore liars completely.
Human beings are sexual though, both men and women. It's the basic truth of the matter. Art should reflect that, we are all animals who find various aspect of each other either attractive or repulsive. But neither did I say we need or should want outright pornographic art in the rules books (because, frankly, some DMs already have enough of a hard time keeping their player's focus!!)
I'm neither a prude, nor a hypocrite, so I wouldn't have any such problem. D&D is not a child's game, children play with iPads these days, and have ready access to far more filthy material a few clicks away. Nobody's tender young mind is going to be blown to hell from seeing a nipple (sheesh).
Tasteful nudity would (should) even be OK, but that's not even what I'm advocating. I want art to have a variety of subjects represented, from the seductive succubus to the swarthy pirate. Denying attractive model's attractiveness is removing one of the central themes of art, in general though, and that's as old as the human race. Painting beautiful art of attractive models is hardly new or controversial.
I feel sad for the human species if we are so easily offended at the prospect of seeing beautiful or disturbing subjects portrayed in art. It's art, nobody ever died from opening their eyes (and their minds).
PRUDE!!
No, but really, I want to hear the answer here.
-O
As far as I can tell, his working definition of prude is 'anyone who doesn't want D&D to be all het male porn...
Inclusiveness should fit--I don't want it to feel artificial. I'm currently in an Oriental Adventures campaign that I cooked up. Caucasians have absolutely no place in that campaign. I might allow some turkic ethnicities for some Mongolian-esque characters if a player really wants to, but otherwise human ethnicities are all loosely east, southeast, or south asian.
In the same manner, if I'm running a european flavored campaign, the only time I want other ethnicities is when it makes sense (such as a rare traveller).
My OA campaign is likely set on an entire asian-themed planet, and I have no problem making entire such planets based on other cultures. I usually include more than one (sometimes many) human ethnicities on a world, but I don't want to express the entire range of human diversity unless the world is based on expressing all that.
So I guess what I'm saying is that my idea of believability is a bit more historical than video gamey.
As far as representing sexuality, I'm with those who say it need not be represented at all in official publications.
I guess people's expectations for what they want their D&D to look like are influenced by the fantasy they are familiar with. My early exposure was through Tolkien, and the rare fantasy movie like Willow or Ladyhawke, or Conan the Barbarian (80s version) that was available. So I have a certain image in my head when I think of traditional fantasy, and D&D settings follow many of the same conventions.
For those whose initial exposure to fantasy is completely different, the style of fantasy that I expect from a (traditional) D&D experience is probably some foreign yesterday's style. I like other styles, genres, setting conventions too, but when I think D&D, I think of the traditional fantasy it came from and want it to default to it's roots and branch out to additional alternatives.
In the same manner, if I'm running a european flavored campaign, the only time I want other ethnicities is when it makes sense (such as a rare traveller).
Huh?
What time period Europe are you talking about? And what part of Europe. I mean, Roman Empire? You're going to have some serious ethnic diversity there. Southern Europe? Lots of ethnic diversity.
The idea that Europe has ever been ethnically homogeneous hasn't been true since the advent of the Roman empire. You've got Silk Road merchants traveling back and forth. Romans brought back lots of non-white people for a couple of hundred years. I'm pretty sure that people with much better grasps on history than me could point to other eras as well.
And that's without all the fantasy stuff added in.