D&D Movie/TV D&D: Honor Among Thieves Open Discussion [Full Spoilers]

[Paul Farquhar]

I would say this: "The Sword Coast region of the Forgotten Realms does not represent any particular real world place or time".

 

[pukunui]

Not to mention that Tieflings should probably be rare.

The Keys from the Golden Vault writing team clearly didn’t get that message.

I’ve almost finished reading that book, and there must be at least one tiefling in each adventure (not counting the one with the Nine Hells-themed casino, which is fully staffed by tieflings).

 

[DarkCrisis]

The Keys from the Golden Vault writing team clearly didn’t get that message.

I’ve almost finished reading that book, and there must be at least one tiefling in each adventure (not counting the one with the Nine Hells-themed casino, which is fully staffed by tieflings).

Wouldn’t be the first time WotC took the new popular edgy race that should be rare to encounter and blew them up.

I’d say it’s even worse though because they aren’t a natural species. They are 3rd Gen or more expression of a demonic grandparent sometime in the past. And I’m willing to bet not a lot of people want to lay with the a true demon.

Bit who knows I guess. Over a long enough period of time and the amount of demon assault that “bares fruit”. I guess.

Still reeks of just trying to make the new favorite species bigger than they should be.

 

[Parmandur]

I’ll admit, I’d probably not know if something was Elizabethan or Victorian.

And if you move into another culture, like say the difference between 18th century and 16th century clothes in India, I’d pretty much just take your word for it.

Then again it’s funny when you have Samurai using a katana standing beside a fighter from the Crusades.

Otoh I get picky about ships, so we’ve all got our things.

How about maps oriented with West on top?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

How about maps oriented with West on top?

That kind of like presenting a holy symbol to a vampire.

 

[Zaukrie]

Wouldn’t be the first time WotC took the new popular edgy race that should be rare to encounter and blew them up.

I’d say it’s even worse though because they aren’t a natural species. They are 3rd Gen or more expression of a demonic grandparent sometime in the past. And I’m willing to bet not a lot of people want to lay with the a true demon.

Bit who knows I guess. Over a long enough period of time and the amount of demon assault that “bares fruit”. I guess.

Still reeks of just trying to make the new favorite species bigger than they should be.

No one is going to run all the adventures.....they'd still be rare in any one campaign. This is the kind of complaint I never understand. Just change the ancestry if you want, but my player rarely remember what happened week to week, let alone that "every few weeks we meet a tiefling."

 

[abirdcall]

Re: Doric and Simon. I absolutely loved this dynamic, though it plays against the typical cinematic shorthand.

Simon likes Doric, but she’s not interested because his lack of confidence makes her sad. So he suggests recruiting her, but then he leaves her alone. He isn’t constantly trying to woo her, or making moony eyes at her. At most, he’s just a little self-conscious around her, which works. But the reason she’s not into Simon is that he needs to work on himself. There’s no moment where he does something to make her love him. Especially not some point where he saves her and suddenly she sees him in a new light. In fact, he does save her during the Themberchaud chase, but it’s not played any different from when, say, Doric saves Holga from the mimic.

Then, at the end, when Simon’s learned to have more confidence in himself, he asks her out again, and she tentatively says yes. Nothing more, and nothing less. That’s a relationship I can believe in. Frankly, much more than, say, Peter and Gamora in the GotG movies, who AFAICT fall in love simply because they are the male and female leads.

I felt it was the weakest part of the movie.

I remember a couple parts during the adventure where he hits on her.

Her reaction at the end doesn't exactly scream "enthusiastic consent" either.

And ultimately I just didn't find them having any chemistry.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Call of the Netherdeep seems to have quite a lot of tiefling NPCs, but it's not really the sort of thing my players notice.

 

[Zaukrie]

I felt it was the weakest part of the movie.

I remember a couple parts during the adventure where he hits on her.

Her reaction at the end doesn't exactly scream "enthusiastic consent" either.

And ultimately I just didn't find them having any chemistry.

Lots of people don't have chemistry?

 

[JohnSnow]

I'll also note, when it comes to fashion, that some things that might seem to be "out of place" are, in fact, not. I'll give an example from discussions I've had with costuming directors at the Renaissance Faires I work at.

One of the most common lower-body garments worn by men in late-16th century were "Venetian Hose," (often just called "Venetians"), which are a 3/4 length (just below the knee) trouser of varying degrees of fullness pleated and attached to a waistband, with a closure (often buttons) in the front. Venetians were working trousers, and as such, were typically made of a durable material, like wool, lightweight leather or deerskin, corduroy, or cotton or linen canvas. You see them EVERYWHERE in Elizabethan art, sometimes worn with boots, but equally as often with low shoes.

Ironically enough, most Faires don't (can't) use two of the most common materials out of which working Venetians were made. The first, a blue-dyed corduroy from Genoa, Italy called jeane, and the second, a cotton canvas that was the precursor to what was later Serge de Nîmes, in France. Yes, basically, blue jeans (albeit slightly differently cut) are period-appropriate to the 16th-century. However, indigo cotton twill is banned by the costume directors as a fabric (for Venetians) at most Renaissance Faires, because it looks "too modern" to our customers, who immediately see "blue jeans" on anyone wearing them.