Falcon and winter solider

Older Beholder · Mar 31, 2021

I might be wrong but I think it was Walker that had Bucky arrested, at first when he talks to the therapist and she asks who authorised it I figured she meant the release, but on second viewing I think she’s talking about the therapy session Bucky missed in the first place.

Which would mean the guy used his authority to have Bucky arrested, and when they refuse to be his ‘wingman’ as he puts it earlier he threatens them.

Even the way he flashes a siren at them when they’re leaving the police station is an example of his entitlement and abuse of authority.

Umbran · Mar 31, 2021

Imaculata said:
The fact that he brings a gun, which Steve never did.

Never?

So, in The First Avenger, he has a M1911A1 strapped to his thigh, and uses it.

And in the Avengers....this one he didn't bring, but he has no hesitance using it...

Janx · Mar 31, 2021

Enevhar Aldarion said:
On a totally different note, I do not think I saw anyone mention this, but does everyone remember how Cap's shield was broken by Thanos, yet at the end of Endgame, Steve gives Sam a brand-new looking shield? This, along with comments by the directors of Endgame, pretty much confirm that Steve lived out his life in an alternate timeline before returning to his home timeline with a new shield. The theory in this article is interesting, saying that in this alternate timeline the alternate Sam has already been Captain America:

This 'Avengers: Endgame' Theory Suggests Falcon Has Already Been Captain America

"Like it's someone else's."

www.yahoo.com

But whether any of this will factor into this show, I don't have a guess.

One benefit of this theory is that Peggy Carter who has dementia or something won't be blabbing about living her life with Steve Rogers during the hospital appearance..

Imaculata · Mar 31, 2021

Umbran said:
Never?

I had totally forgotten about that. I stand corrected.

Sacrosanct · Mar 31, 2021

Really, there are so many variations in the comics, and conveniently the whole idea of multiple time lines/dimensions, pretty much means they can do this storyline however they want, and we can't really predict what will happed if we're using storylines from the comics or movies as a guide. The whole multiple time line thing seems to be overdone IMO from both DC and Marvel. It seems like little more of a tool/excuse than "I want to write a different version using the same characters and not have to stick with previous canon."

It would be like if Star Wars suddenly started having multiple time lines just because a writer wanted to write a story where Luke works for the emperor. Used sparingly or once or twice? Sure. But both Marvel and DC to use it a lot? Meh.

hopeless · Mar 31, 2021

It needs to make sense for example Nando the one who does the reimagining film and tv series has come up with one for Wandavision where instead of Agatha being one of the villains is actually trying to help Wanda back from her breakdown.
There are only 6 episodes on this series isn't there?
If true that means only 4 episodes left to explain all this stuff and I'm not sure that's enough time to put this all together?

Umbran · Mar 31, 2021

Enevhar Aldarion said:
On a totally different note, I do not think I saw anyone mention this, but does everyone remember how Cap's shield was broken by Thanos, yet at the end of Endgame, Steve gives Sam a brand-new looking shield? This, along with comments by the directors of Endgame, pretty much confirm that Steve lived out his life in an alternate timeline before returning to his home timeline with a new shield.

So, I'd go one farther - by the logic of the movie, that's probably not "our" Steve Rogers, from the MCU Earth-199999.

We are told that time travel (with these big, important items) tends to make alternate timelines. And, we are told that the way for folks to come back to their original timeline is through the portal. But, Old Steve doesn't seem to come through the portal. The Russo's have made clear that he didn't come "the long way around" - he jumped timelines as an old man, without using the portal. Ergo, he is probably not in his home - that's probably Steve-199998.

Maybe Steve-1999998 didn't have his shield broken by Thanos - his fight went a bit differently. So, at the end, he comes back and has a shield to drop off.

This also means that they have a potential future story where Steve-199999 shows up again, young, having started his life with Peggy-XYZ in an alternate timeline, but having to come back for some reason...

Umbran · Mar 31, 2021

hopeless said:
There are only 6 episodes on this series isn't there?
If true that means only 4 episodes left to explain all this stuff and I'm not sure that's enough time to put this all together?

WandaVision demonstrated that they don't seem to feel a need to answer every plot question, so maybe don't expect that.

Blue · Mar 31, 2021

Imaculata said:
Yeah, on a surface level he seems like a good guy. But there are subtle hints in the episode that he is bad news.

The fact that he brings a gun, which Steve never did. His casual threat to Falcon and Bucky. He seems more hot headed. It's subtle, but it's already there.

Falcon has a more powerful gun in Redwing then the handgun Walker had, as well as explosive missiles (from the opening scene of Civil War) so if it's true it means The Falcon is a horrible person.

And this is assuming we buy the "soldier having gun = bad". Steve used guns in several movies, and the Howling Commandos definitely carried guns. Much like John Walker, they were soldiers without the benefits of the super soldier serum. We could more truthfully declare that the effects of the Super Serum serum = Bad in the MCU with Red Skull, the various Winter Soldiers, and their current opponents having it with Steve as the only counter example. But we don't, because it's a multiplier that really depends on how it's used - much like the weapons Wilson and Walker both use.

Umbran · Mar 31, 2021

Blue said:
We could more truthfully declare that the effects of the Super Serum serum = Bad in the MCU with Red Skull, the various Winter Soldiers, and their current opponents having it with Steve as the only counter example. But we don't...

Actually, we kinda do. Captain America is one of a small number of exceptions to the observation - willfully attempting to give people superpowers is not generally a great idea, 'cause of that whole "power corrupts" thing, and the amount of harm you do in search of that power.

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