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AnotherGuy · Mar 9, 2022

Leatherhead said:
Here is a better idea, let them pull any item from any PC/NPC inventory within X feet as a bonus action. Grant a saving throw or opposed skill check for unwilling targets. The problem with Kender isn’t the ability to steal things, it’s how they are unrepentant kleptomaniacs that refuse to even acknowledge what they are doing. Being able to “grab” a healing potion from the bard on the other side of the wall to heal the downed cleric is a good thing.

Oh I approve of this!

Paul Farquhar · Mar 9, 2022

Leatherhead said:
why cast Counterspell on the Fireball, when you can just ward one target for an average of 10 damage instead?

Because no one competent is going to only hit one target with a fireball?

Leatherhead said:
Divinely Favored / Initiate of High Sorcery
These feats are basically the same, with the exception of the High Sorcery being tied to a Background.

They are a weaker Magic Initiate, the spell selection is locked behind a submenu. And you get only one cantrip. The only upside is you can pick your spellcasting stat.

You kind of missed the bit where it gives anyone Shillelagh with whatever casting stat they like.

Leatherhead said:
Oh, and you can also blow all of your HD on this spell, just because they want to tempt people with bad ideas.

Tempting people with bad ideas is the whole point of Black Robes!

Leatherhead said:
To start off with, you get 15 additional spells known, nearly doubling what a normal PHB sorcerer can grab.

None of them are ones I would choose anyway though.

Levistus's_Leviathan · Mar 9, 2022

AnotherGuy said:
They way I view Gully Dwarves, Tinker Gnomes and Kender - including the other non-human species is that they are not human and therefore can and do think and act very differently to humans. How many threads have popped up where players and even DMs battle to play a demi-human different to a human, where the race is not just a different skin or cosmetic accessory.

That's no excuse. Gully Dwarves are extremely ableist. I honestly cannot fathom anyone not being able to see that. This whole "but they were cursed/BS magic nonsense" stuff is just a Thermian Argument. It doesn't matter. The fact that they exist at all in their original state is the objectionable content, not whatever in-world excuse the designers choose to attach to them to preemptively dismiss any criticism of the races.

Also, the "Humans in Silly Hats" trope can be easily subverted without making all of them bigoted caricatures of real world people or encouraging/mandating problematic behavior when roleplaying those races. This topic was discussed extensively in this thread of mine.

Gully Dwarves are a problem. Tinker Gnomes and Kender less so, but they still are.

Leatherhead · Mar 9, 2022

Paul Farquhar said:
You kind of missed the bit where it gives anyone Shillelagh with whatever casting stat they like.

I don't see Shillelagh on either, where are you getting this from?

Henadic Theologian · Mar 9, 2022

DarkCrisis said:
And you can bet the majority of them have never even touched a DL novel

Yeah if they did they'd say twice as much (kidding

This Effin’ GM said:
Eberron doesn’t have a strong fey influence, and if all we get for fey in Dragonlance is Kender I’d say we made it out pretty unscathed

Eberron literally has a fey plane that at times twists parts of Eberron.

Levistus's_Leviathan · Mar 9, 2022

DarkCrisis said:
And you can bet the majority of them have never even touched a DL novel

Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! I've touched (and read) multiple Dragonlance novels, and I still hate Kender and would never have allowed them in their previous incarnations at my table.

Anecdotal, I know, but it's certainly better than unfounded speculation about how well read the player base is in order to gatekeep opinions on Kender.

Paul Farquhar · Mar 9, 2022

Leatherhead said:
I don't see Shillelagh on either, where are you getting this from?
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Sorry, you are quite right, it's a first level druid spell + thaumaturgy, not a druid cantrip. Garbage rather than broken.

Paul Farquhar · Mar 9, 2022

DarkCrisis said:
Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! I've touched (and read) multiple Dragonlance novels, and I still hate Kender and would never have allowed them in their previous incarnations at my table.

Anecdotal, I know, but it's certainly better than unfounded speculation about how well read the player base is in order to gatekeep opinions on Kender.

Yup, I've read them too, which is why I know how flawed they are. I wouldn't comment if I didn't know the novels/modules/setting books. Not that I've ever had to ban a kender, because I have never met anyone who wanted to play one, but I certainly think Tasslehoff Burfoot makes Jar Jar Binks look like the most loveable character ever.

DarkCrisis · Mar 9, 2022

AcererakTriple6 said:
Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! I've touched (and read) multiple Dragonlance novels, and I still hate Kender and would never have allowed them in their previous incarnations at my table.

Anecdotal, I know, but it's certainly better than unfounded speculation about how well read the player base is in order to gatekeep opinions on Kender.

Hence why I said “majority of”. The problem is people hoping onto a bandwagon simple about an issue they only have a surface level knowledge of. So the post obviously wasn’t about you, despite you attempting to make it about you.

Paul Farquhar · Mar 9, 2022

DarkCrisis said:
Hence why I said “majority of”. The problem is people hoping onto a bandwagon simple about an issue they only have a surface level knowledge of. So the post obviously wasn’t about you, despite you attempting to make it about you.

It's still an unsubstantiated, and frankly highly unlikely, claim.

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