D&D General Official D&D In Decline. Source Hasbro.

Zardnaar · Feb 14, 2024

Mannahnin said:
They're both important, for different but related purposes. If the brand is doing well that suggests more investment in D&D, good things for employees and for releases.

Didn't the slideshow show D&D up 54% for the fourth quarter and 76% for the full year? Am I misreading that?

The slides how is more spin. Doesn't mean they're lying more best foot forward.

The financial report is the legacy mandated financials.

Tabletop was down 2% overall (Magic plus D&D) with the biggest selling magic set ever. They turned it into lottery/loot box to do that.

My takeaway is D&D has plateaued probably a while ago but it's not Doom and gloom Hasbro is dying. Expect those videos tomorrow.

Hasbros has a bad year it happens. I suspect they'll pivot to digital more.

Valetudo · Feb 14, 2024

I don't see myself buying many if any wotc books until 2024 edition, and even then that's a maybe.

Mannahnin · Feb 14, 2024

Zardnaar said:
My takeaway is D&D has plateaued probably a while ago but it's not Doom and gloom Hasbro is dying. Expect those videos tomorrow.

I think it's natural for D&D book sales to have a dip right before the new edition comes out.

We'll see how other stuff goes.

Valetudo · Feb 14, 2024

I think dnd will be fine as long as the new books are not total trash. If I like them I'll probably buy a bundle of the three books and an extra phb. And I'm kinda guessing I will at this point. The real thing I want to see is what they changed with monsters

Zardnaar · Feb 14, 2024

Mannahnin said:
I think it's natural for D&D book sales to have a dip right before the new edition comes out.

We'll see how other stuff goes.

Basically what I expect along with sales to clear out warehouses.

Except here. We don't get decent sales.

Zardnaar · Feb 14, 2024

Valetudo said:
I think dnd will be fine as long as the new books are not total trash. If I like them I'll probably buy a bundle of the three books and an extra phb. And I'm kinda guessing I will at this point. The real thing I want to see is what they changed with monsters

Same I think. Big one is what the rest of the group wants and how good the phb is.

Oofta · Feb 14, 2024

It's difficult, if not impossible to know what impact DDB has had on the sales of physical books and how they account for it. A lot of people, including myself, rarely buy physical books anymore. The online version is simply so much easier to use and complete.

Parmandur · Feb 14, 2024

Oofta said:
It's difficult, if not impossible to know what impact DDB has had on the sales of physical books and how they account for it. A lot of people, including myself, rarely buy physical books anymore. The online version is simply so much easier to use and complete.

Given how much WotC paid to own D&DB, I tfeel safe saying "a lot." And I never use Beyond!

mamba · Feb 14, 2024

Mannahnin said:
They're both important, for different but related purposes. If the brand is doing well that suggests more investment in D&D, good things for employees and for releases.

still, they were asking about the tabletop, so I focused on that

Mannahnin said:
Didn't the slideshow show D&D up 54% for the fourth quarter and 76% for the full year? Am I misreading that?

no, saw that too, and yet WotC tabletop grew by 1% with MtG growing by 2%, that is in the financial statement, so I guess the rest is something else, BG3 fees, merchandise, what have you

mamba · Feb 14, 2024

bedir than said:
D&D the game grew year to year, it's in his statements

where?

This is in the statement

“Wizards of the Coast and Digital Gaming Segment

Revenue increase of 10% driven by increase in Licensed Digital Gaming revenue behind Baldur's Gate III from Larian Studios and Monopoly Go! from Scopely.
Tabletop revenue increased 1% behind growth in MAGIC: THE GATHERING with a strong performance from the Universes Beyond Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-earth sets.”

note that this is for the full year, not Q4

bedir than said:
And they expect it to grow next year.

where?

The statement says for 2024

“Wizards of the Coast Segment revenue down 3% to 5% decline largely driven by second half comp in licensed digital gaming”

D&D General Official D&D In Decline. Source Hasbro.

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