Are you glad the Star Wars prequels were even made?

[Henry]

I gotta agree with Tom, J, and John. OBi-Wan is a little on the impetuous and dense side, and it wouldn't take much for a skilled Sith like Palpatine to lead him like a puppy on a leash. I do think it was a good stroke of luck on Palpatine's part that Obi-Wan was the one chosen to train anakin. He had JUST become a knight himself, and wasn't ready to take on a "paige" (padawan) yet.

Bad as it was, it was internally consistent. screw-ups very similar to it happen in the real world all the time.

 

[KidCthulhu]

To add a little bit, Obi-Wan's arrogance and not-insignificant amount of denseness are well-established in the OT, as well as the prequels.

Or did you imagine that the Jedi who inadvertently brought about the DARTH VADER scenario (through a combination of action, inaction, and unwillingness to see what is right in front of his eyes), then lied to Luke about it for years, was a character without flaws?

No, I agree with you that Obi-Wan is a character with flaws. I just don't buy that the inconsistent logic and general plot holes were deliberately created by Lucas as part of a subtle and delicate screenplay. I am not willing to give him half that much credit.

I'd be thrilled with a character depiction like that, if I thought it was deliberate. I think MacGregor is working his ass off to give us the impression that all of this comes from inside who Obi-Wan is. I don't think the script or the direction is behind it, though. Ewan's just a damn good actor doing his best with dreck.

 

[buzzard]

I wouldn't dispute that the plot is nicely twisted. I've never had much of a problem with the plot of the prequels. The abysmal acting, dialog, and direction are what makes them unbearable to watch.

buzzard

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Ewen nails Obi-Wan perfectly IMO. I think he's great in AoTC and TPM myself.

I'm going to have to re-watch it tonight.

 

[TiQuinn]

The battle scenes that accompanied Anakin and Obi-wan's persuit showed the prowess of the clone army and the leadership ability of Yoda and Windu. I'll admit they were there for some eye-candy as well. However, those scenes didn't mean nothing. There was the tension of stopping the ships from getting into orbit which was important to the battle. If those ships are all grounded (in addition to Dooku being captured) the war never begins.

Wow, you got all that from the movie? For me, there's just nothing there in the plot. The plot is completely incidental and didn't make a whole lot of sense:

An army of Jango Fett clones are supposedly being made for the Senate.

Jango Fett works for Count Dooku who is the head of a rebellion.

Yoda suddenly appears at the end with the clone army in tow.

Huh?? Jango Fett is the "Bad" guy, Yoda. The Bad Guy, remember? Why are you showing up with a bunch of his clones?

 

[TiQuinn]

Let me reiterate, The whole thing was a big giant set up, every little detail was planned by Palpatine (maybe even what happened to Anikin on Tatooine). He can see the future and his student is running the other side, it's all a big set up that worked to perfection. As much as I fault the movies I did get what was going on and how it tied into what happened in Jedi.

You're describing an awesome sounding movie, but unfortunately none of that carried over in Attack of the Clones.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Wow, you got all that from the movie? For me, there's just nothing there in the plot. The plot is completely incidental and didn't make a whole lot of sense:

An army of Jango Fett clones are supposedly being made for the Senate.

Jango Fett works for Count Dooku who is the head of a rebellion.

Yoda suddenly appears at the end with the clone army in tow.

Huh?? Jango Fett is the "Bad" guy, Yoda. The Bad Guy, remember? Why are you showing up with a bunch of his clones?

Becuase beyond Jango's genetic material they are not like Jango at all. They are "programmed" to follow thier buyer, in this case the senate and the jedi order. Why not use them? They aren't evil like Jango, just drones who fight well and obey orders. Too bad that's part of the head of the government's plan to gain a force of drones who will follow his orders to the death and enable him to become Emperor of the known universe. But at the time Yoda needed a force to battle the droid army that was overwhelming the Jedi.

I had no problem with it.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Huh?? Jango Fett is the "Bad" guy, Yoda. The Bad Guy, remember? Why are you showing up with a bunch of his clones?

Because if he hadn't, all the Jedi would have been killed.

 

[TiQuinn]

Becuase beyond Jango's genetic material they are not like Jango at all. They are "programmed" to follow thier buyer, in this case the senate and the jedi order. Why not use them? They aren't evil like Jango, just drones who fight well and obey orders. Too bad that's part of the head of the government's plan to gain a force of drones who will follow his orders to the death and enable him to become Emperor of the known universe. But at the time Yoda needed a force to battle the droid army that was overwhelming the Jedi.

I had no problem with it.

Yoda leading a massive army supposedly for the Senate yet has been cloned from the DNA of an assassin who is in league with the head of the rebellion, and you don't see that as a plot hole big enough to pilot the Death Star through?

 

[TiQuinn]

Because if he hadn't, all the Jedi would have been killed.

And if George hadn't lost his mind while writing the story, they wouldn't have been in that position to begin with.

I mean, that's what killing me....you guys make a heck of a lot more sense! I wish you were writing the script because you probably would've explained all this a lot better than the movie does! None of this "wheels within wheels" plot plays out well in the movie.