BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: Season 2A Part 10; NSCR/9.23.2005. Mid-Season Ending

[Rykion]

I was disappointed that Commander Adama and Admiral Cain were so quick to launch fighters. Earlier in the series, Adama, etc. agonized over martial law. Yet he is so quick to launch a military force now?

Adama didn't want to be in the position where the fleet saw the military as the enemy. He also didn't want to be put into a position where his crew shot civilians. Admiral Cain is planning on killing two of Adama's men, including the man most capable of keeping his ship and fighters running. I really don't see a conflict with Adama's previous actions.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Also, the more I think of it after watching it again I think the only way out of it for Galactica is for Pres. Roslin to order Cain to stand down, which she will refuse. Then some of her crew will relieve her under the orders of the President or a promoted Admiral Adama. I mean they can't all be evil on a generally well written show like this one, that's too heavy handed and cheap. Then there will be stories with some of the crew members of the Pegasus interacting with the Galacitca crew and the differences and stuff will lead to interesting story ideas.

If not we will probably get the EVIL Pegasus overwhelming the obsolete Galactica only to be saved by the wonderful Cylon 4 of 987968943, aka Sharon, with another LAN cable jammed into her arm. Or the poor 6 model will be helped by Baltar to somehow infect the EVIL computers of the Pegasus saving the good guys from the Pegasus, thus further making the genocidal cylons out to be wonderful people.

Or they could do the unpredictable thing and have some of those civillian ships that Zarek put weapons on, to fire a few ineffectual shots at the Pegasus creating a distraction for Galactica to gain the upper hand.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

Well the clanks in this series are the equivalent to the robotic models that were in the old series I'm thinking. Just an updated design.

I seem to recal an old series ep where a pilot was trapped on a planet with a cylon, which seemed reasonably senient. Weird ep overall, though.

 

[Wormwood]

Another question. Would it be wrong to cut the arms off a older style Cylon if it was in the brig?

Not as far as I'm concerned. Rendering the infiltrator models incapable of inflicting harm seems to be a value-neutral act to me as well.

"We're in this for the species, people!"
—Doogie Howser, SS

 

[TanisFrey]

The problem with this is that the Admiral doesn't command the carrier, the Captain does. The Admiral commands the Battle Group (admittedly, of which the carrier is a part), which includes 4-6 escorts of varying capabilities, some anti-sub, some anti-air.

This, however, is easily solved. I believe I read somewhere, possibly on SciFi.com, that there are smaller escort vessels in the fleet. At least, there were. Galactica, obviously, didn't have any escorts assigned to her at the time of the attack, since she was being decommissioned and wasn't on active duty. Pegasus, going into spacedock, would not have had her escorts around at the time. They'd either have been pulled away for reassignment or gone into dock ahead of time and didn't make it out. Alternately, they could have already "taken one for the team", so to speak.

Brad

If I rember correct, Cain said that she was pulling in to dock with her escort group.

Isn't shooting mutineers and cowards in wartime a time honored practice?

And the more I watch this one the more I think it's all part of the overreaching plan of the cylons. Everything is playing along perfectly to turn Baltar into a total Cylon tool. Not that he isn't a tool already. Maybe this is all destiny though, which is why it's all pulliing together like it is. January is a long way off.

What rank is the CAG of Pegasus? He was treating Apollo like a punk from the start so I'm wondering if he's a higher rank?

NATO armies try to take the mutineer/cowards off the front line for them to get at least an appeals to a higher civilan authority, unless they are given no choise.

Cain has this option but it help to make it clear that she does not requezinesed any civilan authority. The fleet is the front line AND the Homefront now from Adma's point of view, very unique situation in the history of modern war.

CAG of Pegasus. Is just me or did I see the actor whom played the Cyclon whom was found out hiding on the BS Galactica in the miniseries??????????

I seem to recal an old series ep where a pilot was trapped on a planet with a cylon, which seemed reasonably senient. Weird ep overall, though.

That was the best epsoid of Galactica 1980. And yes is was senient, probley rebuildt by Starbuck from mainly parts from the commander cyclon. A cyclon whom must be some what capable of some indepentent thought and action

 

[TanisFrey]

Maybe it was me, but I thought he was one of the creepiest people on that ship. Did you see his reaction when they remarked that he was a civilian? He said something like "Well, these things happen." It was obvious that he had seen some pretty rough stuff over on the Pegasus and survived by just keeping his head down.

It would be interesting to find out more of what went on over there. When you have nothing left to live for other than to hurt the people that hurt you, it can turn the most noble of humans into monsters.

It would not suprise me that he was part of the space dock repair crew just boarding the Pegaus when the attack came.

 

[IcyCool]

Having atrocities committed against you does not (IMO) give you the right to commit atrocities in return/revenge.

Quoted for truth. However, I'd personally add that if a person/being who commits a particular atrocity becomes the victim of another atrocity, I wouldn't feel any pity for them.

 

[Truth Seeker]

Quoted for truth. However, I'd personally add that if a person/being who commits a particular atrocity becomes the victim of another atrocity, I wouldn't feel any pity for them.

The saying as goes...What comes around, goes around.

 

[dravot]

It would not suprise me that he was part of the space dock repair crew just boarding the Pegaus when the attack came.

He said that he was on the Scylla and got picked up. (I'm assuming that's how it's spelled, as in "Scylla and Charybdis")

There's a lot unspoken there. He could be a civilian working at the spacedock, but IMO, he's to civiliany for even that - based on his statements. It's my opinion that he was on a civilian ship which was found by Pegasus and the passengers were pressed into service.

 

[Aers]

He said that he was on the Scylla and got picked up. (I'm assuming that's how it's spelled, as in "Scylla and Charybdis")

There's a lot unspoken there. He could be a civilian working at the spacedock, but IMO, he's to civiliany for even that - based on his statements. It's my opinion that he was on a civilian ship which was found by Pegasus and the passengers were pressed into service.

I got this impression as well - with Cain claiming that she lost over 700 crew in the first few minutes of the attack I can see them gladly impressing any civilian personnel that they came across into service. Just grab the personnel, blow up the civilian ship or trash it for parts, and keep on moving. Don't like it, too bad - they either beat you into submission or worse - looking at the few women on the Pegasus.

It was interesting how Laura looked at Cain when the Admiral talked about the blind jump out and how she kept going - here the new President was, trying to save humanity and organize the civilians to get out of the killing zone and their flagship was running like a scared little girl as far away as they could. True, they had suffered losses much like the Galactica, but you'd think that Cain would have had the balls to come back and at least attempt a rescue of some of the civilians.

The President's got her number - and it ain't pretty. Zarek must be spitting nickels at the idea of this Admiral running the fleet because if Adama doesn't take over the entire Fleet is going to be nothing more than a source of supplies for the Pegasus - both human and material. Cain won't have a problem impressing new crewmen nor taking the best for her people, from what I saw. And they can't have that.

My best bet is that Colonial One is going to jump in between the two Viper attack groups at the last minute, causing them both to peel off and ask for instructions - if Laura is smart she'll work some sort of deal with the implied threat of letting Zarek loose and her and Adama will send Cain off on some sort of death mission or something along the lines of the original series resolution. But they can't have this nutbar in charge of the military aspect of the fleet. Adama seems like a marshmallow compared to Cain and that's scary.