BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: Season 2A Part 10; NSCR/9.23.2005. Mid-Season Ending

[Truth Seeker]

Why did you not highlight the sentence where he said "Cain will ignore her"?

Heh...miss one

 

[TanisFrey]

CAG of Pegasus. Is just me or did I see the actor whom played the Cyclon whom was found out hiding on the BS Galactica in the miniseries??????????

I was wondering something similar myself. The guy looks familiar.

He did have a scar by his one eye. That should not hide him too long if he is a cylon. And would explane why Starbucks sugestion was droped. A decent CAG would have droped Starbuck from the mission and used the blackbird in addition or stated that it would be reserved for the next recon mission.

 

[Wormwood]

Cain's path is one of revenge and destruction. Adama's is one of survival. I know which one I'd be in favor of.

What choice did Cain and her crew have? As far as they knew, humanity has been annihilated. They have no prophecies or promises of Earth. The only thing separating Pegasus from Galactica is hope.

All they have left is their rage and their implacable desire to take as many of the bastards with them to Hell as they can.

Molon Labe.

 

[Wormwood]

There is a point, of how much neutralization can be done, to render an individual to a less-functional capacity.

You see people, I see machines.

Machines that kill.

End of file.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

I still say a civilian government and the trappings thereof are luxuries they can no longer afford.

 

[Pyrex]

You see people, I see machines.

Machines that kill.

End of file.

That's almost verbatim one of the central questions of the entire series.

Where do you draw the line between "malfunctioning appliance" <--> "sentient being worthy of respect"?

You and Truth Seeker (vis-a-vis the crews of the Pegasus and Galactica) draw it in different places.

 

[Wormwood]

That's almost verbatim one of the central questions of the entire series.

Where do you draw the line between "malfunctioning appliance" <--> "sentient being worthy of respect"?

You and Truth Seeker (vis-a-vis the crews of the Pegasus and Galactica) draw it in different places.

Which is one of the many reasons I so love this show. I can see and understand both points of view.

edit: deleted lest I be misinterpreted.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

...sentient being worthy of respect...

What makes you think a normal sentient being is worthy of respect?

Is it (being is worthy of respect) something innate, a fundamental aspect of the being of all free-willed creatures, so that they possess it simply by existing?

Or is it (being is worthy of respect) something earned through living well, and therefore springs from the choices someone makes and their ability to carry out and follow through on those choices?

In either case, can it (being is worthy of respect) be applied to an artificially created group of entities, some of which may not be sentient, that has apparently chosen (in so far as these entities may be described as free willed) as its purpose in existence the persecution and genocidal elimination of another race?

...ya friggin' Cylon lover...

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

I just want to remind folks that Ron Moore did a podcast for the episode.

They had 15 minutes of extra footage that didn't make it into the broadcast episode. Those 15 minutes are being saved for the DVD release when they will be restored. That means that those 15 minutes won't make it into the next episode either.

The podcast reveals things that are quite important. For instance, in the 15 minutes that were cut Roslyn confronted Cain directly about resupplying the civilian fleet. Cain replies that she doesn't recognize Roslyn as the lawful president of the Colonies and that Cain was going ahead as if she herself were the head of the entire fleet instead of Roslyn. A short reference was made to this when Roslyn was walking in the corridors of Galactica with Adama and Roslyn complained to Adama that Cain was withholding supplies from the civilian fleet.

The podcast brings a great deal clarity, I heartily recommend it to hear some of what is in the 15 minutes.

 

[Pyrex]

...ya friggin' Cylon lover...

Hey now, I never said where *I* draw the line.

Hmm... *tries to get a little philosophical without typing two pages of text*

I tend to think that creatures (*cough* defined in this context as having Int, Wis and Cha scores ) have an intrinsic value higher than objects (which don't have Int, Wis and Cha scores)

Do you feel guilt/sorrow when throwing away a broken toaster? I don't.

Do you feel bad about yourself for empathizing with the cast of Office Space when they beat the crap out of the printer? I don't.

Do you feel bad when you see someone kicking a puppy? I do.

Problem: Which of those above cases most closely maps to abuse of a Cylon prisoner?