BattleStar Galactica:Season 3.5--3/25/07--Arc 20 (Season Conclusion)
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Wormwood said:
The ones posted to places like Patriot Resource and Cool News and here and there? No. The spoilers I made over in the thread, Battlestar News, that was totally accurate.
Dude, which spoilers do you mean when you say "were they accurate?"
Gonna be aaaahhh looong nine frakking months.
Mistwell
Crusty Old Meatwad
LrdApoc said:
I agree. It's insanity to think that the fan base will hold out for 9 months. I know the two hour movie is coming in the forth quarter of this year, but that won't be enough. Too long a break.
I will come back to the show in 9 months (or longer - what makes us think 2008 means January 1?), but I have my doubts that a sufficient number of people will. I think they are making a serious mistake.
Truth Seeker
Adventurer
And besides all that...maybe someone made a comment already about it. But if and when the new season starts...it will be straight through...no breaks. (hopefully) And also, has harped throughout the grapevine. It could be the last season too. 
But waiting 9 months...is even testing my patience.
But waiting 9 months...is even testing my patience.
Darrin Drader
Explorer
Mistwell said:
Scifi make a huge mistake regarding the ratings of their flagship series? Never! It wasn't severely long gaps between installments that was ultimately the ratings death of Farscape.
Anyway, here are my thoughts.
The final five are unknown to the cylons themselves. I've suspected for a while that the reason they don't reveal themselves is because they don't hold with what the other seven models are doing. They're essentially traitors and have been holding their cards close while they wait for the right time to reveal themselves. That time, for whatever reason, is now. I think those cylons in the nebula are the base ships and other resources belonging to the final five, and I think we might see them join the Galactica in the next season.
I thought it was kind of odd how when they went to the Eye of Jupiter, they didn't really learn anything new. That whole thing was completely pointless unless it served some larger purpose that wasn't readily apparent. Instead, I think it was a trigger event for Kara, letting her know that it was about time for her to leave the fleet. She "dies," which was when she was resurrected aboard one of the cylon ships, and they send her off to go see Earth for herself. I think the final five are the equivalent to the ship of lights from the original series. They'll be there as a force for good, who will shepherd their way not only to Earth, but to either a lasting peace or the ultimate destruction of the cylons.
Steel_Wind
Legend
Honestly? I thought the musical choices in the episode sucked.
They usually do. Various drumrolls aside and the intro theme, the show is not strong on music. The piano concertos on the Cylon baseships drive me nuts.
All along the Watchtower was just out of place.
Think of the cliffhanger of Adama v. Caine. **Drumroll** - vipers flying BABOOM.
Now *that* was an ending.
They usually do. Various drumrolls aside and the intro theme, the show is not strong on music. The piano concertos on the Cylon baseships drive me nuts.
All along the Watchtower was just out of place.
Think of the cliffhanger of Adama v. Caine. **Drumroll** - vipers flying BABOOM.
Now *that* was an ending.
Darrin Drader
Explorer
So if this song was programmed into them before birth, I can only assume that this will be some sort of a distant future Earth they'll eventually arrive at. It's either that or Hendrix was either a cylon himself or was heavily influenced by one.
True to their word, the writers and producers have supplied another startling season ending that is different than the season endings that came before.
Thoughts;
1. To repeat, not many talk about it, but the show makes excellent use of music.
2. The scene where Lee and Lampkin walk away from Ego Baltar was excellent. Anytime Baltar is hurt, I smile.
3. Tellingly, only four – not five – people heard the music. So even if they are all Cylons, that still leaves one to be named. And it seems unlikely that Tigh is a Cylon, as he has been known to be a human, by Bill Adama at the very least, for almost 40 years. That should precede the appearance of the Human-Cylons by decades. In any event, this still leaves at least one of the Final Five as an unknown, or a known unknown, in so far as we know we don’t know it.
4. The music the four hear is a version of “The Watchtower,” originally by Bob Dylan. According to wikipedia, “the version played, adapted by veteran series composer Bear McCreary, appears to resemble Jimi Hendrix's more famous cover more closely than the original Dylan version.” The song has Biblical and Apocalyptic references in it, and is best understood if the stanzas are read in reverse order. The song also seems to refer to time running out. In this case, probably for both the humans and the Cylons. Though your guess is good as mine as to which group, the Cylons and the humans, is the “joker” and which is the “thief.”
5. In the original series, there is a scene where one of the characters is searching for a signal from Earth. Another character persuades the first to go to the disco bar or something with him. As soon as they two have left the room, a signal from Earth does come through, specifically that of the Apollo moon landing. Maybe these four hearing the music serves a similar purpose in the story, except there are characters around to hear the signal. However, if that is the case, then how are they hearing it? Maybe a radio or some similar signal from Earth is hitting the Galactica, hull and only these four can hear it…
6. To repeat myself again, there have always been parallels between the BSG Saga and the Aeneid. In the classic epic, the leader of the Trojans has to visit the Underworld to gain some valuable information about where the refugees need to go before they can finish their journey. Here, in BSG, Kara has apparently crossed over the line between life and death and come back with some important information. That said, either her Viper never exploded or someone gave her a new one (thought it is still an older model). She also leads Lee off in the same manner she was lead away in Maelstrom.
7. I think President Roslyn had something to do with Baltar’s disappearance. Highlight:
8. The Cylons probably did not knock out the power supply of the Rag Tag Fleet, otherwise they would have done something – anything – while the power was still out. To take that one step further, given that they did take advantage of the situation at all suggests they may also have faced a power outage.
9.While it is up, a revealing bit of Web Vandalism. Hrmph. For a while, the subheadline of the Bob Dylan entry at wikipedia read "Bob Dylan is the Cylon Imperious Leader."
Thoughts;
1. To repeat, not many talk about it, but the show makes excellent use of music.
2. The scene where Lee and Lampkin walk away from Ego Baltar was excellent. Anytime Baltar is hurt, I smile.
3. Tellingly, only four – not five – people heard the music. So even if they are all Cylons, that still leaves one to be named. And it seems unlikely that Tigh is a Cylon, as he has been known to be a human, by Bill Adama at the very least, for almost 40 years. That should precede the appearance of the Human-Cylons by decades. In any event, this still leaves at least one of the Final Five as an unknown, or a known unknown, in so far as we know we don’t know it.
4. The music the four hear is a version of “The Watchtower,” originally by Bob Dylan. According to wikipedia, “the version played, adapted by veteran series composer Bear McCreary, appears to resemble Jimi Hendrix's more famous cover more closely than the original Dylan version.” The song has Biblical and Apocalyptic references in it, and is best understood if the stanzas are read in reverse order. The song also seems to refer to time running out. In this case, probably for both the humans and the Cylons. Though your guess is good as mine as to which group, the Cylons and the humans, is the “joker” and which is the “thief.”
"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.
5. In the original series, there is a scene where one of the characters is searching for a signal from Earth. Another character persuades the first to go to the disco bar or something with him. As soon as they two have left the room, a signal from Earth does come through, specifically that of the Apollo moon landing. Maybe these four hearing the music serves a similar purpose in the story, except there are characters around to hear the signal. However, if that is the case, then how are they hearing it? Maybe a radio or some similar signal from Earth is hitting the Galactica, hull and only these four can hear it…
6. To repeat myself again, there have always been parallels between the BSG Saga and the Aeneid. In the classic epic, the leader of the Trojans has to visit the Underworld to gain some valuable information about where the refugees need to go before they can finish their journey. Here, in BSG, Kara has apparently crossed over the line between life and death and come back with some important information. That said, either her Viper never exploded or someone gave her a new one (thought it is still an older model). She also leads Lee off in the same manner she was lead away in Maelstrom.
7. I think President Roslyn had something to do with Baltar’s disappearance. Highlight:
In the podcast of the three-hour round table discussion, Jamie Bamber makes a vague reference to Roslyn’s character doing something at the end of this season that is more morally and legally dubious than her attempt to steal the election at the end of last year. Then the others attending the round table shout him down. Further, Roslyn has become increasingly ruthless, justifiably hates Baltar and in the episode said something about needing to deal with him.
8. The Cylons probably did not knock out the power supply of the Rag Tag Fleet, otherwise they would have done something – anything – while the power was still out. To take that one step further, given that they did take advantage of the situation at all suggests they may also have faced a power outage.
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