D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

Paramount Pictures is apparently in rickety shape financially. I wouldn't bet against Paramount+ folding this year or even them selling off franchises to try and save the company.
Their streaming ad revenue is up, they have more subscribers than Disney, and their losses are lower than what the digital only streamers had in their decade to profitability.

Paramount has the Super Bowl next year. They'll be fine.
 

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payn

He'll flip ya...Flip ya for real...
Their streaming ad revenue is up, they have more subscribers than Disney, and their losses are lower than what the digital only streamers had in their decade to profitability.

Paramount has the Super Bowl next year. They'll be fine.
I cant find numbers anywhere online to support this.
 

I cant find numbers anywhere online to support this.
From the quarterly report

Streaming revenue from Paramount+ and Pluto TV, the company’s free advertising-supported service, rose 39% to $1.5 billion.

Streaming ad revenue up

Subscription revenue grew 50% year-over-year to $1.1 billion, principally reflecting subscriber growth on Paramount+, including the benefit from previous launches in international markets. Advertising revenue rose 15% year-over-year to $398 million, driven by strong engagement on Paramount+.

“Paramount continues to demonstrate the strength of its content engine, driving momentum across streaming, television and theatrical. This resulted in Paramount+ and Pluto TV reaching significant milestones with 60 million subscribers and 80 million MAUs, respectively, while CBS is poised to claim the #1 spot in broadcast for the 15th straight season,” said CEO Bob Bakish.

Combined P+, Showtime and Pluto are around 100 million (dropping overlaps). Adding in Showtime makes sense because it will be combined shortly. Falls just a bit short of Disney, so I guess P+ is only the 5th largest streamer in the world and hasn't been out but a couple of years.


CBS and P+ have the next Super Bowl
 

payn

He'll flip ya...Flip ya for real...
Combined P+, Showtime and Pluto are around 100 million (dropping overlaps). Adding in Showtime makes sense because it will be combined shortly. Falls just a bit short of Disney, so I guess P+ is only the 5th largest streamer in the world and hasn't been out but a couple of years.
This is what I was referring to. Even with combining all the services its only about 2/3 the subs of Disney, which is also about to combine with Hulu.
 

Whizbang Dustyboots

Gnometown Hero
Their streaming ad revenue is up, they have more subscribers than Disney, and their losses are lower than what the digital only streamers had in their decade to profitability.

Paramount has the Super Bowl next year. They'll be fine.
They're laying staff off, cut their dividend to shareholders without warning and their stock is way down.

I don't know that I would be buying any second (or third) houses if I was a Paramount exec at the moment.

They're probably fine, but they don't have the deep pockets or the diversified model that Disney or Amazon has. They've got entertainment and infamously unreliable online advertising revenue.


 


Whizbang Dustyboots

Gnometown Hero
If any Paramount execs are not on seven-figure salaries or higher - regardless of the performance of the company - I’d be very surprised. They’re not going to have to start doing a bit of Uber driving on the side to make ends meet anytime soon.
Are you under the impression that people buying a third house typically drive for Uber?
 

Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
Paramount Pictures is apparently in rickety shape financially. I wouldn't bet against Paramount+ folding this year or even them selling off franchises to try and save the company.

What this means for the D&D movie franchise, if there is to be one, remains to be seen. Depending on the existing deals, it may complicate things.

(Also, you should probably buy a copy of the movie, rather than just stream it, if you want to be able to reliably watch it a year from now.)
They're doing pretty good in general. Have the top rated cable shows on their side with Yellowstone and the spinoffs and all the other shows Taylor is doing for them. Generally they're thought of as successful right now in the long term. I don't think anyone thinks they're going away soon.
 
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They're doing pretty good in general. Have the top rated cable shows on their side with Yellowstone and the spinoffs and all the other shows Taylor is doing for them. Generally they're thought of as successful right now in the long term. I don't think anyone thinks they're going away soon.
More people watch Paramount shows than watch Netflix for example.


Their transition to streaming has been faster than ABC and NBC. Fox? well they didn't bother to try to move to streaming
 




CommodoreKong

Explorer
Does Fox have anything good that's not actually on FXX and thus on Hulu? (I haven't had cable in years, so I'm sincerely asking.)

Pretty much all Fox shows (at least the ones made by their studios) are going to be on Hulu, they were part of the Hulu joint venture before Disney bought them. Arrested Development isn't but that's because Netflix paid to produce the 4th and 5th seasons.
 

VoD has D&D: Honor Among Thieves as the #1 on iTunes (peaked today), #4 on Vudu (ten days at #1), #7 on Amazon (U.S. only, peaked at 2, Germany release was yesterday), and #10 on google (peaking and climbing rapidly). Outside of Amazon that data is global. Worldwide release dates have varied greatly. Some nations had VoD available the same day as the U.S. But most did not. In the USA Honor Among Thieves has been VoD for four weeks.

On Paramount+ it is the #1 streaming movie in the United States (it's only available in the US) since its first full day on the service May 18 to the present, beating out Scream VI which released that same week, Top Gun: Maverick, Star Trek: Beyond (trek is huge on the platform) and a few other things like Paw Patrol.

It's barely in theaters any more, basically just out in France and Brazil where it had late starts. In the U.S. over Memorial Day it was in less than 200 theaters. France should add another million or so and pass China as the number three nation, if it maintains its current distro and fall for two weeks.

Sourcing: Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves TOP 10 • FlixPatrol
 

Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
So the DVD and Blu-Ray just came out. The featurettes include "From Dice to Dragons: Honoring the Lore" which stars the main cast members with the crew recounting how the iconic tabletop roleplaying game was adapted into a movie, as well as "Rogues' Gallery: The Heroes of Dungeons & Dragons," which is an in-depth look at each of the unique characters in this movie. A matching featurette called "Fantastic Foes" explores the movie's villains, while "The Bestiary" is a deep dive into the visual effects – both practical and digital – that went into this take on Faerûn. "Forgin the Forgotten Realm" focuses on the film's sets and locations, and finally "Broadswords, Battle-axes & Badass Brawls" gives a behind-the-scenes look at the action, stunts, choreography, and weapons that made this movie a nail-biter.

They also have deleted scenes, extended scenes, and a gag reel. The Blu-Ray comes with a digital download as well. And there is a 4K Ultra HD Steelbook version.
 

GreyLord

Legend
Combined P+, Showtime and Pluto are around 100 million (dropping overlaps). Adding in Showtime makes sense because it will be combined shortly. Falls just a bit short of Disney, so I guess P+ is only the 5th largest streamer in the world and hasn't been out but a couple of years.


CBS and P+ have the next Super Bowl

Interesting Link.

What in the world is Tencent Video and iQIYI?

Tencent is a pretty big company at this point (with fingers in all sorts of things you would never expect them to have fingers in) so I expect it is something to do with the Chinese audiences? Is that the ssame for iQIYI? Whatever they are, they appear to be big.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
They're laying staff off, cut their dividend to shareholders without warning and their stock is way down.

Whatever else we can say, those last two are hardly independent indicators.

Overall, we must remember that the stock market isn't really driven by the long-term health of the business. Indeed, following the desires of classic stock investors seems to lead to actions that are not clearly in the best interest in the long-term viability of the service.

Firing staff is either bad, or really good, depending on what staff is being let go, and why.
 


VoD has D&D: Honor Among Thieves as the #1 on iTunes (peaked today), #4 on Vudu (ten days at #1), #7 on Amazon (U.S. only, peaked at 2, Germany release was yesterday), and #10 on google (peaking and climbing rapidly). Outside of Amazon that data is global. Worldwide release dates have varied greatly. Some nations had VoD available the same day as the U.S. But most did not. In the USA Honor Among Thieves has been VoD for four weeks.

On Paramount+ it is the #1 streaming movie in the United States (it's only available in the US) since its first full day on the service May 18 to the present, beating out Scream VI which released that same week, Top Gun: Maverick, Star Trek: Beyond (trek is huge on the platform) and a few other things like Paw Patrol.

It's barely in theaters any more, basically just out in France and Brazil where it had late starts. In the U.S. over Memorial Day it was in less than 200 theaters. France should add another million or so and pass China as the number three nation, if it maintains its current distro and fall for two weeks.

Sourcing: Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves TOP 10 • FlixPatrol
up to #4 on Amazon, up to #1 on Google. Stable on the other VoD at link.

On P+ so many Americans are streaming it that it is now their global #12 (new high). It's not released globally yet.

This is the modern operating environment for movies that are owned by a studio with a streaming platform. The digital numbers are large, multi-week success. It is gaining momentum still. This wasn't a release and done movie on digital.

Physical recordings are out now.
 

OB1

Jedi Master
up to #4 on Amazon, up to #1 on Google. Stable on the other VoD at link.

On P+ so many Americans are streaming it that it is now their global #12 (new high). It's not released globally yet.

This is the modern operating environment for movies that are owned by a studio with a streaming platform. The digital numbers are large, multi-week success. It is gaining momentum still. This wasn't a release and done movie on digital.

Physical recordings are out now.
And this is precisely why they overspent (relative to old norms) on the budget for the film. Had they gone cheap with the actors (no Grant, Pine or Rodriguez) and/or production budget (drop the Thunderchaud and maze set pieces) it wouldn't be doing nearly as well post-theatrical. That's why you can't judge a film as hit/flop based only on the theatrical BO anymore.

Side note, Hasbro must be absolutely thrilled with the home entertainment numbers so far. I would assume a large portion of those numbers are non D&D fans, who are checking out the movie because of one of the actors or because it's the top choice on whatever streaming platform they use. If Hasbro's $75M investment was about strengthening the brand, it appears to be paying off.
 

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