Enterprise 11-12-03

[Tallok]

I passed my VCR progamming skill check with flying colors and finally got to watch this episode.

I was very skeptical at first, but it turned out okay.

I like the end where the teacher was getting ready to use some enterprise tech as a visual aid in her class.

... next week, ugh. so is trip's character gone? ... if not, I'm gonna start getting real bored of watch "insert main character here" die, and then somehow come back to life. (or for a variation, character X has something happen ... the time line is then screwed, to fix it we have to 'blah blah blah' ... all is well again.)

It won't end up actually happening this time probably
But about the comments about tech? If the humans were slaves wouldn't the skagorians give them higher tech tools for their work?

 

[Orius]

Enterprise - "North Star"

Archer becomes embroiled in a cultural conflict after the crew discovers a human colony seemingly straight out of the Old West.

I wonder how folks will feel about this episode. It's got all the trappings of being like TOS material, I suppose...

Great episode. Yeah, kind of had an old Trek feel to it, but also felt kind of modern too.

Best moments:

Spoiler

when Archer lands in the shuttlepod. "We need to talk." I liked the looks on the faces of the townspeople. I also liked when that one guy took T'Pol as a human shield, and Red just stuns her, and then stuns him. He didn't see that coming.

 

[Orius]

My strategy for tonight's episode is to not over think it or over analyze the situation - just to sit back and enjoy the ride.

And just because it takes place on a Wild West World does not mean it can't be original. TOS's "Spectre of the Gun" and TNG's "A Fist Full of Datas" were totally different.

And this was neither of those. I liked this episode.

 

[Orius]

It seems to me that every ST series by between 3rd-5th season has some kind of contact with the past (Am I wrong about TOS? Tell me.)

Past I'm assuming means late 20th century or so?

TOS never made it past season 3, so you can't really count it. It did have at least three episodes where they went back to the 20th century: Tommorow is Yesterday was the result of a time travel accident. City on the Edge of Forever, where McCoy went back to 1930, and Kirk and Spock followed him to prevent history from being altered. And Assignment: Earth, in which the Enterprise went back intentionally to observe history. That episode was actually a re-written pilot for a show about Gary Seven's exploits that Roddenberry failed to sell, when no one picked it up, they made it a Star Trek episode.

TNG: I don't remember TNG doing this.

DS9: Past Tense, 1&2. Not 20th century, but early 21st century. Also the result of a time travel accident.

VOY: Future's End, 1&2. Another time travel accident, this time sending the crew to 1996 Los Angeles (and where were the Eugenics Wars? ). There was also that episode with Janeway in 1999 or something? I don't remember that episode name.

 

[Particle_Man]

VOY: There was also that episode with Janeway in 1999 or something? I don't remember that episode name.

That wasn't Captain Janeway. That was her ancestor, who happens to look a heck of a lot like her (funny, that...)
No time travel in that one, just reminiscing about history.

 

[DanMcS]

TNG: I don't remember TNG doing this.

There was a two-parter, I think; Data's head got excavated in San Francisco, so Data, Picard and maybe a couple others went back in time, met Mark Twain and Guinan (she's really old). Picard and Data got stranded, and then Data's body got sent back, so Picard coded a message into Data's head with a screwdriver so that when they took the excavated head and the sent-back body and rejoined them on the Enterprise, Data was like, "the captain has apparently placed a message in my head, here's how we should get him back". It was odd.

There might have been others.

 

[Orius]

The shoot out was a bit hokey but nothing too painful.

I'm curious who makes the laws on this planet since it didn't seem like there was anything resembling a formal government (other than the sherrif).

It's a Western. You gotta have a shootout. I think it's a rule.

And government? Come on, it's the freakin' Wild West!. No government here, except the sheriff. Maybe they have some kind of marshals or something, I don't know, but people went out to the West to get away from the government, among other things. I don't think they're just going to settle on this planet and set up some huge government institutions.

 

[Orius]

That wasn't Captain Janeway. That was her ancestor, who happens to look a heck of a lot like her (funny, that...)
No time travel in that one, just reminiscing about history.

That could be it too. I only saw that episode once.

 

[Orius]

There was a two-parter, I think; Data's head got excavated in San Francisco, so Data, Picard and maybe a couple others went back in time, met Mark Twain and Guinan (she's really old). [snip]

Time's Arrow! How could I have forgotten that one?! Blarg.

 

[Wolf72]

It won't end up actually happening this time probably
But about the comments about tech? If the humans were slaves wouldn't the skagorians give them higher tech tools for their work?

I think high tech is harder to mantain ... and only feasilbe when you have an easy source of transportation.

I could see the colony being given some relatively simple technology, which is easier to repair and learn how to use ... once things get going and start to turn profitable then get some more advanced equipment.

I'm sure the humans did a good job of smash and burn ... stranding everybody, like Archer said "they grabbed the wrong ones".