Enterprise 11-19-03 *SPOILERS!*

Personally, I see nothing new about the promos being a poor representation of what will follow. My wife I and noticed that way back during Star Trek: The Next Generation. Our rule of thumb then was that if the promo looked good the episode would probably be bad and vice versa. Paramount didn't know how to promote the show to its fan base then, and still hasn't learned. That was also obvious with the promotion of the last TNG motion picture.

As for Enterprise, I found both of the last two episodes to be both entertaining and interesting. I will definately go into tomorrow's episode with an open mind, and plan on just sitting back and enjoying the ride.
 

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Mark said:
More like "Some people are going to say that they think the show sucks no matter what we do, so we're going to make them say it before they see the show and have to rescind what they have said after viewing it. This will change the minds of some of the loudest, long-term negative fans and make the rest of the loudest, long-term naysayers look like they don't really know what they're talking about..." :p

I disagree. It's only a bad impression to some of the old guard, really. I don't think the promos are bothering completely new viewers at all. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they gain viewers using a ploy like that. Besides, claiming someone is going to die always translate to higher ratings...regardless of the show and regardless of whether they actually do die (by trick or in truth). It's a ploy to get people to tune in and once they have, then you have to impress them or distract them from how you got them there.
Well, if it is their strategy, it isn't working. Ratings for last week's episode were some of the lowest of the season (source TrekWeb).

There's a segment of the old guard that loves nothing more than to have something about which to complain (not round here, of course ;) ). When folks have made up their minds in advance about a show (and many had before the pilot episode) the only way to change their minds is to constantly challenge their position no matter if it is based on fact or assumption. The more they can get people to say they thought they were going to hate it but didn't, the less often those same people are saying they hoped they were going to like it but didn't. The promo ploy (purposeful or not) is turning a negative spin into a positive spin which translates to better buzz and higher ratings.
I agree about the "old guard" factor, which I've found is true of most any community you'll find.

However, I disagree on the rest of it. The optimum for any show is to be gaining viewers as time passes. Realistically this barely ever happens except on a small scale - over the length of the individual shows. Even then, it's not frequent. Keeping viewers is only one side of the equation, which amounts to nothing more than holding steady in ratings. The reason focusing on this doesn't work is because almost universally all shows lose viewers as a season and entire run progresses.

The more important part of doing this is attracting new viewers, which you address below and I'll likewise comment on below.

The biggest obstacle to gaining completely new viewers is the ST long time fan base (myself included, mind you). There's a general perception about what a "Trekkie" and/or "Trekker" is. One facet of that perception is that the fanbase is inflexible and opinionated, and that perception is affirmed in some minds each and every week. If the current leadership of the franchise can get the ST fanbase to mellow out, no matter how, it can mean more new fans will come to the show...and with an open, untainted mind.
Well, as nice as that is to say, I think that it's much more complicated than that.

For one, you have the social stigma on science fiction in general. Sure, you have your Star Wars, and your Matrix, and so on, but those are the exception rather than the rule.

For another, it's unrealistic to expect Star Trek fans to mellow out, any more than it is to expect Yankees fans to mellow out. Fans are fans, and part of that is being inflexible and opinionated, no matter what you're talking about.

And again on another level, you have a social prejudice against intelligence. Now, I'm not saying all ST fans are intelligent - far from it. But science-fiction has always been a genre associated with a certain degree of intelligence, and very unfortunately as a society we just do not strive for that. I would say more, but that would be getting quasi-political. :p

Finally, you have a general level of cynicism in the Star Trek fanbase. A lot of this can be attributed to TPTB over there are Paramount. There are a fair degree of fans not satisfied with DS9 (myself not included), a large number not satisfied with Voyager, and then a good number that aren't too happy with Enterprise either. There's a sour taste in the fans' mouths - perhaps because they aren't getting what they want. I would like to think what they want would be solid stories and solid writing, and a level of sophistication and intelligence that I at least feel have been lacking.

There's a lot more I could say on the topic, had I the time and motivation. Suffice to say that simply saying the fan base needs to mellow out is a gross over-simplification of the factors which lead to the difficulty of Enterprise to pick up new viewers. I think there's a lot more to it than that - some under their control, and some not.

To end this little tirade, obviously I am one of the ST fan base too, otherwise I wouldn't be discussing this with any care what-so-ever. :) I too am holding out some hope for tomorrow's episode. At least for me though, it's reached the point where I expect the worst, and when I get something decent, that's great. Which is a really sad outlook for anyone to have about anything - settling for decent when you should expect and demand the best.
 

Holy discussion and the episode hasn't even aired!

At least I don't get to see the previews! I prefer to be surprised at what shows up.

Well - until I read the spoilers...

Myrdden
 

LightPhoenix said:
Suffice to say that simply saying the fan base needs to mellow out is a gross over-simplification of the factors which lead to the difficulty of Enterprise to pick up new viewers. I think there's a lot more to it than that - some under their control, and some not.

When things are overly complicated by factors outside of your control, getting back to basics and attempting simple solutions is often the best approach. The fan base needs to mellow out because they are so wrapped up in minutia they can no longer enjoy simple entertainment.
 

AICN has a little preview of the episode (contains some minor spoilers so be warned!). Link

Sounds like the episode will be a pleasant surprise (and that the preview is quite misleading as to what exactly happens). :cool:
 

Mark said:
When things are overly complicated by factors outside of your control, getting back to basics and attempting simple solutions is often the best approach. The fan base needs to mellow out because they are so wrapped up in minutia they can no longer enjoy simple entertainment.
Alright, this'll be the last I say on it, I swear!

I agree with the idea, and agree with it's application to pretty much everything. That is to say, people need to stop getting so bent out of shape over the littlest things. It's something that I used to have a problem with myself, though not related to fandom. It's something that on a personal level people can fix.

That said, people as a whole won't be doing that anytime soon. So realistically, this is just another problem outside of anyone's control just as much as any other social problem. The only thing B&B, Paramount, and the rest can do really is fix the problems on their end. I can only speak for myself, but I do believe there are definite things they need to do to make the show better - some of them which they have started to do this year, and I hope they continue to do so.
 


Wow! That was actually a really good episode. Interesting, engaging, and actually got me a little misty when they had to kill Sim...especially when he agreed to let it happen. Sim telling Trip "You owe me one" was pretty cool.

And Mark...listen carefully. The Illuminati do NOT produce Star Trek. Never have, never will. Fnord.

(Loved the long lingering shots of T'pol in her pajamas to begin the episode. Mmmmthat's good heiny.)
 

I thought it was alright, but nothing spectacular. I pretty much figured the entire thing out within the first fifteen minutes, but I enjoyed it none the less. I will say that I'm glad to see a romance between T'Pol and Trip, and not between T'Pol and Archer - that would have been the easy way out. Other than that, I really don't have too much to say on the episode. A little veiled social commentary on the whole cloning issue was nice, and it wasn't preachy, like I feel Star Trek sometimes has a tendancy to be. The whole genetic memory issue was interesting, though as a biochemist I believe that if memory is stored genetically it would be in neural tissue. Even so, it's not an unheard of occurance in nature, though I don't think it occurs in mammals.

I'm glad to see that next week's episode won't be completely filler, like this week and last week. Though I recall (paraphrase :)) a quote by JMS - if you're going to use a gun in Act II, you should show it in Act I. So hopefully one of these last two episodes actually will have an impact somewhere farther down the line. I will definitely say the writing is leaps and bounds over that of Voyager this season, even for filler episodes.
 


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