Immortals Handbook - ASCENSION
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U_K,
What is the justification for the Dragon Lord, Lord of Bone, Lord of Blood, Lord of Maggots, Lord of Spirit, Profane Lord, and Sacred Lord divine abilities only costing 1 divine ability slot when each is has a considerably higher LA. These seem to horrifically break your rule about the power of a divine ability slot just considering the bonuses they grant (i.e. the stat increases from Dragon/Profane/Sacred Lord, or say the +20 insight bonus to AC from Lord of Maggots, or the fact that Lord of Spirit grants you Asomatus by default).
What is the justification for the Dragon Lord, Lord of Bone, Lord of Blood, Lord of Maggots, Lord of Spirit, Profane Lord, and Sacred Lord divine abilities only costing 1 divine ability slot when each is has a considerably higher LA. These seem to horrifically break your rule about the power of a divine ability slot just considering the bonuses they grant (i.e. the stat increases from Dragon/Profane/Sacred Lord, or say the +20 insight bonus to AC from Lord of Maggots, or the fact that Lord of Spirit grants you Asomatus by default).
Upper_Krust
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Hiya mate! 
Well I would suggest when you use the longer method that you always use the fewest number of abilities possible.
Remembering that an esoteric ability is the limit.
So from 64 (for a greater deity):
10 Cosmic (60), 4 Divine (4)
That idea is only if you want them to stack.
Alternately you can just use the best one.
Indeed.
WarDragon said:
Well I would suggest when you use the longer method that you always use the fewest number of abilities possible.
Remembering that an esoteric ability is the limit.
So from 64 (for a greater deity):
10 Cosmic (60), 4 Divine (4)
WarDragon said:
That idea is only if you want them to stack.
Alternately you can just use the best one.
WarDragon said:
Indeed.
Upper_Krust
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mercucio said:
Hiya mate!
mercucio said:
Well the reasoning is as follows.
Firstly, these templates don't increase ECL, so equipment is unaffected. So level adjustment won't be accurate.
Secondly, a lot of the abilities of the templates will be swallowed up by the divinity templates (i.e. damage reduction, spell resistance).
Thirdly, I wanted to incorporate the templates and to do that I had to bend the rules slightly. Better to err slightly too powerful than slightly too weak.
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The Lord of X abilities also subsume their prerequisite ability, for those that have one. But that doesn't change Dragon/Profane/Sacred Lord.
You could have just done what you did with Amidah though and required more slots.
You could have just done what you did with Amidah though and required more slots.
Upper_Krust
Legend
Okay guys, I'm not going to get the update posted tonight. Sorry.
The stumbling block is really just anomalous portfolio powers that are just confusing.
Maybe if I talk my way through them it will prove insightful for us both?
1. Okay Spell-like Abilities are straightforward (thanks for the help with the Labour portfolio guys).
2. (Divination) The base idea here is that a deity has either clairaudience (single port) or clairvoyance (double) from a certain source (e.g. fire, someone disease ridden).
Problem Portfolios: Arts, Charity, Entropy, Fertility, Peace, Science
3. (Abjuration) Base idea is for immunity (single) and reflection (double).
Problem Portfolios: Destruction, Fear, Fertility, Good, Healing, Labour, Revenge, Time
4. (Competence) Base idea is for an Attack, Damage and AC bonus under certain conditions.
Problem Portfolios: Arts, Disease, Entropy, Knowledge, Labour, Love, Madness, Peace
5. (Summoning) Base ideas: +50%/+200% Hit Dice for acertain creature type, or + DvR x 2/+ DvR x4 Ability Score Bonus, or a few other bonuses.
Problem Portfolios: Peace, Science, Thievery.
6. (Trumping) Base idea: the deity has either a 50% chance (single) or 100% chance (double) of overcoming an immunity.
Problem Portfolios: Charity, Darkness, Evil, Fertility, Labour, Science, Skill, Sky, Stoicism, Time
7. (Evocation) Base idea is to use one of the [Effect] abilities.
All these abilities are finished, although I am not sure about the Community Portfolio having the Axiomatic [Effect] since the Community Portfolio only needs you to be non-chaotic.
8. (Healing). Base ideas: Some element will heal the deity, or within a certain place they will heal or regenerate faster.
Problem Portfolios: Crafts, Death, Knowledge, Labour, Love, Elf, Science, Secrets, Skill, Stoicism, Strength, Thievery, Travel, Wealth, Wisdom
That takes us up to Greater Power, the rest are moderately straightforward.
About a third of the above ideas I already have, but I am just not happy with. So maybe a fresh perspective will help.
The stumbling block is really just anomalous portfolio powers that are just confusing.
Maybe if I talk my way through them it will prove insightful for us both?
1. Okay Spell-like Abilities are straightforward (thanks for the help with the Labour portfolio guys).
2. (Divination) The base idea here is that a deity has either clairaudience (single port) or clairvoyance (double) from a certain source (e.g. fire, someone disease ridden).
Problem Portfolios: Arts, Charity, Entropy, Fertility, Peace, Science
3. (Abjuration) Base idea is for immunity (single) and reflection (double).
Problem Portfolios: Destruction, Fear, Fertility, Good, Healing, Labour, Revenge, Time
4. (Competence) Base idea is for an Attack, Damage and AC bonus under certain conditions.
Problem Portfolios: Arts, Disease, Entropy, Knowledge, Labour, Love, Madness, Peace
5. (Summoning) Base ideas: +50%/+200% Hit Dice for acertain creature type, or + DvR x 2/+ DvR x4 Ability Score Bonus, or a few other bonuses.
Problem Portfolios: Peace, Science, Thievery.
6. (Trumping) Base idea: the deity has either a 50% chance (single) or 100% chance (double) of overcoming an immunity.
Problem Portfolios: Charity, Darkness, Evil, Fertility, Labour, Science, Skill, Sky, Stoicism, Time
7. (Evocation) Base idea is to use one of the [Effect] abilities.
All these abilities are finished, although I am not sure about the Community Portfolio having the Axiomatic [Effect] since the Community Portfolio only needs you to be non-chaotic.
8. (Healing). Base ideas: Some element will heal the deity, or within a certain place they will heal or regenerate faster.
Problem Portfolios: Crafts, Death, Knowledge, Labour, Love, Elf, Science, Secrets, Skill, Stoicism, Strength, Thievery, Travel, Wealth, Wisdom
That takes us up to Greater Power, the rest are moderately straightforward.
About a third of the above ideas I already have, but I am just not happy with. So maybe a fresh perspective will help.
Labor is easy...every laborer has a focus...as task they are currently performing...just make their abilities and bonus apply to interruptions of said tasks or make them revolve around said tasks. When a labor deity goes on break they lose the bonuses in most instances.
Similarly the same abilities can apply to others who are laboring or not laboring.
This is similar to the darksun concept for dwarves.
Similarly the same abilities can apply to others who are laboring or not laboring.
This is similar to the darksun concept for dwarves.
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The same concept can apply to any portfolio that involves an action of some sort.
Like art...it could apply to whenever the individual is singing ect.
Like art...it could apply to whenever the individual is singing ect.
Sephiroth...what divine rank would you post him as. Do you see him as a potential future ascension example?
The reason I ask is because Im listening to One-Winged Angel.
The reason I ask is because Im listening to One-Winged Angel.
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