D&D (2024) Polymorph temp hp remain

[OB1]

Both are general rules.

Seriously, though, in such a case, IMO it should have been called out in the spell that the temp HP go away when concentration is lost. I am sure (like others) that was the intent.

Going off of the other thread, does anyone KNOW if a Druid assumes While Shape, gains temp HP, and then leaves Wild Shape early as a bonus action, do the temp HP go away??? It doesn't appear so to me...

If a druid keeps the temp HP after leaving Wild Shape, I see no reason why the target of Polymorph would lose the temp HP because the caster stops concentrating.

That's exactly the difference. Druids don't concentrate on Wildshape, so the Temp HP aren't subject to the rule with concentration that the effect goes away.

 

[ezo]

That's exactly the difference. Druids don't concentrate on Wildshape, so the Temp HP aren't subject to the rule with concentration that the effect goes away.

But they are no longer IN wild shape... why would they still have the temp HP?

If someone IN polymorph doesn't keep temp HP when no longer polymoprhed, druids should lose the temp HP as well when no longer in wild shape.

To be clear, I am just playing devil's advocate here... I agree with the ruling for polymorph that the temp HP should be lost, BUT I also think if that is the case, they should be lost for druids leaving wild shape as well.

 

[OB1]

But they are no longer IN wild shape... why would they still have the temp HP?

If someone IN polymorph doesn't keep temp HP when no longer polymoprhed, druids should lose the temp HP as well when no longer in wild shape.

To be clear, I am just playing devil's advocate here... I agree with the ruling for polymorph that the temp HP should be lost, BUT I also think if that is the case, they should be lost for druids leaving wild shape as well.

Well, the rules for Temp HP state they stay until you lose them or take a long rest, so for the Druid they stay. It's only because of the rule for concentration that Polymorphers lose them when the spell ends. At least, that's my interpretation, I could be wrong! Don't think it's a big deal either way. There are better things to do with high level spell slots than use them to get a bunch of Temp HP.

Here's another related question, would Dispel Magic remove someone's THP? I think yes, since it ends spell effects. In that case, it would work for Druid Wildshape and Polymorph, both the form and the THP.

 

[ezo]

Well, the rules for Temp HP state they stay until you lose them or take a long rest, so for the Druid they stay. It's only because of the rule for concentration that Polymorphers lose them when the spell ends. At least, that's my interpretation, I could be wrong!

No, I am sure you are right! I'm not thrilled with it, of course, but hey I'm not playing it so it doesn't really matter lol!

As for concentration, one thing I think they should have changed is if you cast a spell on a willing creature and it requires concentration, the concentration is moved to that creature.

Don't think it's a big deal either way. There are better things to do with high level spell slots than use them to get a bunch of Temp HP.

Over 150 temp hp for a 4th level slot is a pretty big deal IMO.

Here's another related question, would Dispel Magic remove someone's THP? I think yes, since it ends spell effects. In that case, it would work for Druid Wildshape and Polymorph, both the form and the THP.

Yep, I would agree with that.

 

[SpellObjectEnthusiast]

Here's another related question, would Dispel Magic remove someone's THP? I think yes, since it ends spell effects. In that case, it would work for Druid Wildshape and Polymorph, both the form and the THP.

Dispel magic can only be used on spells with ongoing effects - that is, spells with a duration.

Dispel magic could be used to end Polymorph, which would also remove any Temp HP granted by Polymorph.

Dispel magic cannot be used to dispel False Life, since False Life has a duration of instantaneous.

Dispel magic cannot be used to end Wildshape, since Wildshape isn't a spell.

 

[FrogReaver]

Specific trumps general.

Right.

The rules in the description of Polymorph - that its duration is concentration up to an hour - are more specific than the rules for how temp hp works.

Not when it comes to the temp hp. In that case the spell stuff is more general in respect to the temp hp rules.

Compare to False Life - which has a duration of instantaneous. The temp HP for false life follows the general rule for temp HP.

The specific rule for temp hp.

 

[ezo]

Dispel magic cannot be used to end Wildshape, since Wildshape isn't a spell.

One reason why it should be, like making Divine Smite a spell (something they got right IMO).

 

[OB1]

Dispel magic cannot be used to end Wildshape, since Wildshape isn't a spell.

Right, I always forget that my houserule for Dispel Magic isn't the actual rule.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Even if you end concentration the polymorph temp hp stay up for the day. There’s no clause in the spell indicating they end early.

So one could give a level 7 pc 157 temp hp (by transforming into a giant ape) and then immediately drop concentration so class abilities can be used, along with much higher ac.

General rule. Spell effects end if the spell ends.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

That's exactly the difference. Druids don't concentrate on Wildshape, so the Temp HP aren't subject to the rule with concentration that the effect goes away.

Also go away. Effects end if the effect end.