Rise of Skywalker: The Seen It/Spoilers Thread

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GAAAAHHHH!!! TIE FIGHTERS. DO. NOT. HAVE. HYPERDRIVES!!!!!!

pant pant pant

With that aside, it was OK. Definitely fun Star Wars, if you don't think about it too closely.

Frankly, it could have used bit of a haircut. It just rushed through a lot of unnecessary stuff; the film should be allowed to unwind and expand and breathe, and then build rapidly to a crescendo. I prefer the pacing of the OT movies.

So much of the film is just repeats of OT moments slightly repackaged. It's like they have a checklist. Speeder bike chase, check. Throne room scene, check. Massive space battle, check. Cantina scene, check. ... That's Ok for fun, but a bit too much fan service. I finally choked out loud on the "give Chewie a medal" bit at the end since it was such extreme fan service. So that's disappointing. It doesn't have to be completely original -- TFA wasn't -- but make the copying and fan service less blatant.

I'm mixed on Palps as the villain. I think it would have worked better had they telegraphed better, but as it looks like they spent a good part of each movie undoing what they did in each prior movie, robbing the trilogy of some narrative coherence, that's hard to pull off. Too, clone emporers have been done (Dark Empire, etc). But at least the throwback to RotS line gives some context.

I don't understand how this fits with Rule of Two. And I do wish Finn's Checkov's secret had gone off.

But it did have the fun and the feels. Not as good by a long shot as the OT, better largely than the PT. I really need a rewatch to fully evaluate.

3/5 for me.
 

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tglassy

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I don't understand how this fits with Rule of Two. And I do wish Finn's Checkov's secret had gone off.

It’s so the Sith can each live forever in the body of their apprentice. The Master’s Spirit bonds with the Apprentice’s when the Apprentice kills him in anger, as all Apprentices are destined to do. It’s why the Masters always take an apprentice, even though they know their Apprentice will eventually kill them.

It’s actually brilliant. There are never more than two so all the power can be focused into one person, rather than spread out. It’s also why Palpatine never seemed afraid of dying, and why he told Luke to “Give in to his anger”, and that if he strikes Palpatine down in anger, his journey to the Dark Side would be complete. He was looking for a new body, and didn’t want Vader’s mechanical one.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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It’s so the Sith can each live forever in the body of their apprentice. The Master’s Spirit bonds with the Apprentice’s when the Apprentice kills him in anger, as all Apprentices are destined to do. It’s why the Masters always take an apprentice, even though they know their Apprentice will eventually kill them.

It’s actually brilliant. There are never more than two so all the power can be focused into one person, rather than spread out. It’s also why Palpatine never seemed afraid of dying, and why he told Luke to “Give in to his anger”, and that if he strikes Palpatine down in anger, his journey to the Dark Side would be complete. He was looking for a new body, and didn’t want Vader’s mechanical one.
Except it was Vader who killed him.
 





It’s so the Sith can each live forever in the body of their apprentice. The Master’s Spirit bonds with the Apprentice’s when the Apprentice kills him in anger, as all Apprentices are destined to do. It’s why the Masters always take an apprentice, even though they know their Apprentice will eventually kill them.

It’s actually brilliant. There are never more than two so all the power can be focused into one person, rather than spread out. It’s also why Palpatine never seemed afraid of dying, and why he told Luke to “Give in to his anger”, and that if he strikes Palpatine down in anger, his journey to the Dark Side would be complete. He was looking for a new body, and didn’t want Vader’s mechanical one.

Thanks. I guess I follow. So all the chanting hooded folks Palps kept referring to a Sith were not Sith then?
 




Morrus

Well, that was fun
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That is a good point. They should've put him in a Lamda-class shuttle - but then you wouldn't get the iconography of him parking his OT TIE Fighter next to Luke's OT X-Wing.
It’s the new model. He’s not driving an antique.
 


Gradine

Final Form (she/they)
What I liked a lot, in retrospect, is the whole "thousands of years of Jedi/Sith" thing. The Jedi and Sith get to have their big destined blowout, and then both die.

The Jedi and the Sith both die with the Palpatine line. Balance brought to the Force. When Rey is brought back to life through Ben's sacrifice, the Skywalker line, completely engineered by Palpatine, also comes to an end.

Rey honors her teachers (and Kylo was definitely a teacher for Rey) by carrying on their name, but the most significant piece for me is that she's abandoning her true heritage. But not she gets to help usher in a whole new era for the Force.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
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Yes, he was. He was stranded on the Death Star without a ride. The idea was that he'd salvaged it from the wreckage.
Huh. Are you sure? How did he get there? I thought that was the ship he flew there in.
 

Clearly it does. It’s been 30 years!

I don't think there were First Order upgrade crews on Endor putting hyperdrives in 30-year old fighters. As MarkB points out ... he grabbed an antique from the wreckage to fly home. It's clearly an original model in the shot side-by-side with Luke's T-65, not a First Order TIE.
 



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