So, who wants to talk about new Doctor Who (spoilers likely)

[Remus Lupin]

Here's a thought (while agreeing with Morrus that the Doctor must have read about many things that he subsequently seems to care a great deal about making sure dont' change): Maybe the Doctor can't see Amy and Rory again because the chapter title said it was "Amy's Last Farewell." This would also explain why River can see her again. It wasn't her last farewell to River, just the Doctor.

Of course, that would seem to imply that the Doctor could see Rory again any number of times, since he wasn't in the chapter title.

 

[Morrus]

Here's a thought (while agreeing with Morrus that the Doctor must have read about many things that he subsequently seems to care a great deal about making sure dont' change): Maybe the Doctor can't see Amy and Rory again because the chapter title said it was "Amy's Last Farewell." This would also explain why River can see her again. It wasn't her last farewell to River, just the Doctor.

Of course, that would seem to imply that the Doctor could see Rory again any number of times, since he wasn't in the chapter title.

But the chapter title didn't say "Amy's last farewell to the Doctor" any more than it didn't say "Amy's last farewell to River".

 

[Remus Lupin]

True, but the Doctor read it! Hey, I'm workin' with what I've got here!

 

[Nellisir]

She refused to share spoilers, yes, but she didn't say that would lock them in.

Two years ago Moffat couldn't stop saying "time can be rewritten". Now he's saying "time cannot be rewritten".

Why was The Doctor worried when the Daleks turned up in WW2? He's seen writing in time periods post-WW2; ergo, the Daleks can't change anything. He should just leave them to get on with it.

Stop making my brain hurt.

 

[Padril]

The way I see it the Doctor took it as a way out. He could let them go knowing they grew old together and would never have to say goodbye to them. So maybe he could've gone to 1939 but that would mean he would eventually have to say goodbye or watch them grow old. Plus if I remember correctly didn't River regenerate in New York as a little girl after Amy shot her? If it was in the right time period then maybe the Ponds got to raise their child after all.

 

[Felon]

It was good except for two plot flaws that are so major that they just ruin the episode for me:

1) Nobody in New York looked at the Statue of Liberty as it strode down the streets? Nobody? I went into this episode having seen the spoilery image of the statue with it's teeth bared, so I knew it was an Angel - but I was expecting something (very mildly) clever like "It was always an Angel; the French wanted it put in that location as it is one of the only spots on the planet where it will have somebody looking at it every second of the day, 24/7/365"; and then some clever reason why nobody is looking at it right now. But no. Nothing.

Well, apparently somebody started looking at it real hard as soon as it arrived at the hotel, because even when the characters came onto the roof and were oblivious to it, it just stood there like a dope.

Also, note that our obligatory bald-headed, repugnant villain was able to damage one of the angels. I thought the point of the quantum-lock ability was that they were essentially invulnerable in that state? Not a very good defense if you can just take a sledgehammer to them.

Which brings us to the matter of the angel that the Doctor lets off scott free after it time-shifts Rory and Amy. Pull out your screwdriver and rattle it to pieces or something.

 

[Iosue]

Well, apparently somebody started looking at it real hard as soon as it arrived at the hotel, because even when the characters came onto the roof and were oblivious to it, it just stood there like a dope.

Well, FWIW, aside from one brief moment in "Time of Angels", it's been pretty well-established that the camera counts. Even if the characters don't look, if the camera is on an Angel, it can't move.

 

[Plane Sailing]

It was good except for two plot flaws that are so major that they just ruin the episode for me:

1) Nobody in New York looked at the Statue of Liberty as it strode down the streets? Nobody? I went into this episode having seen the spoilery image of the statue with it's teeth bared, so I knew it was an Angel - but I was expecting something (very mildly) clever like "It was always an Angel; the French wanted it put in that location as it is one of the only spots on the planet where it will have somebody looking at it every second of the day, 24/7/365"; and then some clever reason why nobody is looking at it right now. But no. Nothing.

2) No logical reason The Doctor can't see Rory and Amy again. Sure, I'll accept that 1938 New York is inaccessible to a TARDIS now (but not River's bracelet, since she can go back and get Amy to write an afterword and act as publisher for her). 1938 Boston, Rio, London, Chicago, Moscow - they're all accessible still, right? So catch a bus. OR if 1938 is just out completely everywhere, try 1939. They'll still be there. They're around until, what, the 70s? The 80s?

Both those points bothered me intensely too, in the 'doesn't really make sense' way.

At least the angels were back to doing what they did in Blink, rather than the weird and IMO stupid excursion we had in that two parter.

Oh yes - one other thing that bothered me. That River has on her wrist a more powerful/capable time machine than the tardis? Come off it.

 

[Morrus]

Oh yes - one other thing that bothered me. That River has on her wrist a more powerful/capable time machine than the tardis? Come off it.

That bothered me back when Jack had one. Who's the Lord of Time in this show?

 

[RangerWickett]

But the vortex manipulator gives you career cancer. Captain Jack vs. Doctor Who: which one has his own TV show?