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5E Two Subclasses from Tasha for Barbarian and Warlock

Russ Morrissey

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It didn't. The version that made it through unchanged was the second version, which had major revisions from the first. So it's actually the opposite. Not that it went through without tweaks, but that the tweaks were significant enough that they had to publish a playtest a second time.
I meant from the second play test. I even said “in that version.”
 



cbwjm

Hero
Nice to see that they've released these for free, I guess. I'm probably not going to use either of these anytime soon, so it doesn't effect me.
Yeah, unlikely either will show in the games I'm running or playing in. I do like the genie pact though. I did create a walorck pact based on the shiar but I feel like this is more fun.
 


Undrave

Hero
I would love to see a new warlock option, beyond tome, chain and weapon (sorry about the terms, I don't have my books with me). A little more variety in that area would be nice.
Well, the Class Variant UA had the new Pact of the Talisman... it didn't impress me much (I seem to recall you could lend it to others? I forgot what it did) but it might have gotten a revision and be in the book.

Sure enough. I missed that line. Yeah it’s nice but not outrageous at all. I still am interested in this subclass...
It's nice when you're under a time crunch, but otherwise not particularly game breaking. The game already has a variant rule letting you bring short rests down to 10 minutes, so the mechanics are solid enough to handle that set up.
 

Undrave

Hero
I liked the warlock, I can see it have a lot of story and roleplay involved. I would think many people would take the ring over something larger that may get stolen though.
it can actually be anything beside what’s in the list...

And if it gets stolen you can do the ceremony to get a new one.
 

Well, the Class Variant UA had the new Pact of the Talisman... it didn't impress me much (I seem to recall you could lend it to others? I forgot what it did) but it might have gotten a revision and be in the book.
Yeah, new pact gift was a good idea, but it's actually a terribad thing for a PC, since all it's powers go to the wearer, who does not need to be the warlock.

Pact of the Talisman: When the wearer makes an ability check with a skill in which they lack proficiency, they can add a d4 to the roll.

Associated invocations, in order of level:
Rebuke otT: when hit wearer can use reaction to do minor psi damage and push away attacker
Protection otT (level 9): wearer gains +1d4 to non-proficient saves.
Bond otT (level 12): warlock can teleport to location of talisman wearer, or visa versa. This requires the talisman to be worn by someone other than the warlock.

So, apart from giving someone an initiative bonus, it's pretty garbage.
 


Horwath

Hero
I would rather see wild magic toned down a little and make the subclass 1/3 caster with mostly druid spells.

Like some quasy wise shaman of the tribe, not just a raging brute.
 

Coroc

Hero
The genie lock seems quite sound.

The barbarian, not so much. The detect magic at will (and even the slightest magic, would e.g. a healing pot qualify?), around corners, through walls means for the dm:

I cannot surprise ambush the party anymore if i intend to attach any spell or magic items to the attackers.
Additionally i cannot hide any magic treasure anymore, the group will find it effortlessly.
Wait what's that, nearly bless w/o concentration? So this guy is a party buffer too? Yea, yea i hope that makes up for all the wild magic effects exploding in your face in the most unfitting situations.
 

Benjamin Olson

Adventurer
The barbarian, not so much. The detect magic at will (and even the slightest magic, would e.g. a healing pot qualify?), around corners, through walls means for the dm:

I cannot surprise ambush the party anymore if i intend to attach any spell or magic items to the attackers.
Additionally i cannot hide any magic treasure anymore, the group will find it effortlessly.
Their version detect magic works for one round, proficiency bonus numbers of times a day, in a game where detect magic is already a level 1 ritual spell available to the majority of classes. It does not work on anything behind full cover.

It is not "even the slightest magic", it explicitly has to be a spell or magic item, unlike the Detect Magic spell which has vague, difficult to adjudicate language about any "creature or object in the area that bears magic". But, yes, a health potion is technically considered a magic item by RAW.

I had a group where someone had the Drow racial feat that allowed casting detect magic at will, and despite this being in the hands of one of the most trollish players I've ever encountered it really didn't effect the game much. It just meant that whenever my wizard started to ritually cast detect magic he'd beat her to the punch to show her up.
 



Warpiglet-7

Explorer
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WotC has posted two previews from the upcoming Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything — the barbarian’s Path of Wild Magic and the warlock’s Genie patron. You can download them both as PDFs.

I like the warlock.

The barbarian? That’s just awful and bizarre. I am not sure what they were going for but it’s almost like being out of ideas but feeling compelled to add a barbarian subclass.

I am sorry. I cannot see anyone thinking: “gee I want to play a barbarian warrior who happens to detect magic and have wild magic bursts at higher level!”

huh? The fluff on this is so bad I can’t even get offended by the crunch, though it looks bad as well.

If someone in my group had proposed a new subclass and this was the pitch, I would have been bewildered. That WOTC has produced this? Does this give us a reason to stop asking for more options?
 

TwoSix

Unserious gamer
Supporter
I like the warlock.

The barbarian? That’s just awful and bizarre. I am not sure what they were going for but it’s almost like being out of ideas but feeling compelled to add a barbarian subclass.

I am sorry. I cannot see anyone thinking: “gee I want to play a barbarian warrior who happens to detect magic and have wild magic bursts at higher level!”

huh? The fluff on this is so bad I can’t even get offended by the crunch, though it looks bad as well.

If someone in my group had proposed a new subclass and this was the pitch, I would have been bewildered. That WOTC has produced this? Does this give us a reason to stop asking for more options?
De gustibus non est disputandum and all, but I would absolutely play a barbarian with these abilities. It would work awesomely for any character with a fey connection, like an eladrin or a satyr.
 

I like the warlock.

The barbarian? That’s just awful and bizarre. I am not sure what they were going for but it’s almost like being out of ideas but feeling compelled to add a barbarian subclass.

I am sorry. I cannot see anyone thinking: “gee I want to play a barbarian warrior who happens to detect magic and have wild magic bursts at higher level!”

huh? The fluff on this is so bad I can’t even get offended by the crunch, though it looks bad as well.

If someone in my group had proposed a new subclass and this was the pitch, I would have been bewildered. That WOTC has produced this? Does this give us a reason to stop asking for more options?
I totally disagree. This looks like the most fun barbarian sub-class by far. Uncontrollable magic spews from my body when I get angry is certainly a character-defining feature.
 

NotAYakk

Legend
If you already had a barbarain, drop-in replacing that barbarian's subclass with this one would be very strange and would change the character.

I'd argue this is a good idea. Subclasses that are drop-in replacements for each other are bland, pretty much by definition.

We are used to that on the barbarian. A frenzied barbarian, totem barbarian, zealot barbarian; it is trivial to refluff the same character to use any of those subclasses and be almost indistinguishable.

This barbarian subclass won't work that way.

Together with the ability to move boosts around, a high-strength wild elven (or gnomish, bwahahaha) barbarian with this subclass would work pretty well.
 

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