D&D 5E Metamagic for wizards not for sorcerers?

[Krachek]

Its only a matter of game balance, design and overall character management.
With Logic we should have maneuver for all weapon user, meta magic for all caster, burning spell slot in smite effect for all caster, and so on.

 

[Fanaelialae]

As I see it, in 5e, sorcerers understand magic at an intuitive level, allowing them to twist and reshape their spells as needed. They are not hobbyists as you seem to suggest, but rather savants without much formal training but an overabundance of natural talent.

Wizards, on the other hand, know a lot of spells but lack the innate comprehension to alter those spells on the fly. A wizard who wants a different spell effect researches a new spell. Wizards have a great deal of formal training but lack the intuitive understanding that comes naturally to sorcerers.

If you want wizards to have access to metamagic along the lines of earlier editions, just make it a feat. Use the battle master feat as a guideline.

 

[delph]

So what are wizards losing to gain metamagic?

little less spell? They have big spell list but as my experience, many of them are "Really ever I use it? I have some free space to learn it, but why?"

I see it sense in either way.

Pro-Metamagic Sorcerer

• A wizard would not use meta magic for a more damaging fireball. They'd create a new fire spell.

Isn't using metamagic "local creating new spell"? For me yes. And I play with 2 GMs and both use only things in books. No way to creat new spell (and I don't know how. Is somwhere any mechanic? Or just comparing with another spells on that lvl)

Its only a matter of game balance, design and overall character management.
With Logic we should have maneuver for all weapon user, meta magic for all caster, burning spell slot in smite effect for all caster, and so on.

I saw it too - give maneuvers

As I see it, in 5e, sorcerers understand magic at an intuitive level, allowing them to twist and reshape their spells as needed. They are not hobbyists as you seem to suggest, but rather savants without much formal training but an overabundance of natural talent.

Wizards, on the other hand, know a lot of spells but lack the innate comprehension to alter those spells on the fly. A wizard who wants a different spell effect researches a new spell. Wizards have a great deal of formal training but lack the intuitive understanding that comes naturally to sorcerers.

If you want wizards to have access to metamagic along the lines of earlier editions, just make it a feat. Use the battle master feat as a guideline.

Why can't be wizard savant and educated? Sorcerers are working with Charisma, not Wisdom so no any reason to describe them as savant. You can creat sorcerer with INT 8-1, WIS 8-1 and boost CHAR, CON, DEX and it will work better. Make Sorcerers casting from WIS and I say (almost) nothing. They will be clever boys as Wizards, but in other way.
to martial classes... but I'm thinking about give it only to wizards, and give sorcerers another abilities representing their source of power.

 

[Aldarc]

little less spell? They have big spell list but as my experience, many of them are "Really ever I use it? I have some free space to learn it, but why?"

So you are just getting rid of a few spells that you think wizards don't use much? So wizards are effectively not losing anything to gain metamagic?

 

[delph]

So you are just getting rid of a few spells that you think wizards don't use much? So wizards are effectively not losing anything to gain metamagic?

Because they have nothing, than bunch of spells? Abilities of wizard schools are just favor for me. Bladesinger and Warmages are a little more. They haven't more slots, or significant ability than know more spells. Sorcerers, Bards have almost same spelllist, same spellslot, but one is born and second "just sing" and both can do more things..

 

[Aldarc]

Because they have nothing, than bunch of spells? Abilities of wizard schools are just favor for me. Bladesinger and Warmages are a little more. They haven't more slots, or significant ability than know more spells. Sorcerers, Bards have almost same spelllist, same spellslot, but one is born and second "just sing" and both can do more things..

Okay. I'm done with this thread.

 

[Minigiant]

Isn't using metamagic "local creating new spell"? For me yes. And I play with 2 GMs and both use only things in books. No way to creat new spell (and I don't know how. Is somwhere any mechanic? Or just comparing with another spells on that lvl)

No. Metamagic is altering a spell.

Spells in D&D are magic formulas and sequences. You do the specific motions, say the specific words, present specific items, and spend the specific materials in a specific way and a specific effect happens.

a^2+bz+5z+c= Fireball

In 5e, the only variables you can alter is energy input (spell slot) and intensity (spellcating mod)
Wizards, for all their knowledge, cannot alter anymore variables. They have to make wholy new spells.
Sorcerers can.

It all comes down to how magic works in your world.

If magic is formulaic and anyone can alter all the variable with training, then wizards get metamagic.
If magic is raw and any caster can feel it, then sorcerers get metamagic.
If both, both.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

In exchange for metamagic, I'd remove Arcane Recovery and give it 1/long rest per tier to the sorcerer, to give them the old ''more spell slots'' feature they add before and some more unique spell OR the ability to poach from any caster class.

 

[delph]

Okay. I'm done with this thread.

That's pity but If I can one question - I'v saw bunch combos of multiclassing and when it was something about using magic, all of them have multiclass with sorcerer - for metamagic, for special abilities their origins (thunder, shadow, celestial, dragons). No one was diping for wizard. There are some wizards diping in other class, but that isn't same. I saw combos wizards diped in sorcerers just for got metamagic... so where is "something more" in wizards?

 

[delph]

In exchange for metamagic, I'd remove Arcane Recovery and give it 1/long rest per tier to the sorcerer, to give them the old ''more spell slots'' feature they add before and some more unique spell OR the ability to poach from any caster class.

yes - I forget it - Arcane recovery. Font of magic is doing almost same...