Greatsword is dead!

[Cadfan]

That said, would it be unbalancing to grant High Critical (Double damage) and Versatile (use one handed or two handed), sort of a mix of the advantages of a scimitar and a longsword?

I'm sorry, but I can't answer. I'm handy with math and statistics, but I don't have the books and I'm not going to download them, so I can't really tell what makes a weapon balanced or not. I can just do math with what I've already got.

 

[Fifth Element]

yes i said it.

Excuse me, while I whip this out.

 

[Moon-Lancer]

Excuse me, while I whip this out.

hehe

 

[Jasperak]

careful. if your greatsword is too long you have to sling it over your back, and its hard to unsheathe in combat, while a long sword can rest at your side and you can whip it out any time to you need to. sometimes the fight can be over in mire moments, so its vital to be able to act when you can, or when you see an opening.


yes i said it.

This coming from someone named Moon-lancer

 

[ProfessorCirno]

I think a bigger issue then the greatsword is that some weapons are just plain superior to others, at least as far as fighters go. They're already MAD, and the weapon can potentially make them stack FOUR different stats, and some stats have much better returns then others. Why take a weapon that uses dexterity over one that uses strength if it's a more powerful weapon AND strength benefits you much more?

 

[Cadfan]

I think a bigger issue then the greatsword is that some weapons are just plain superior to others, at least as far as fighters go. They're already MAD, and the weapon can potentially make them stack FOUR different stats, and some stats have much better returns then others. Why take a weapon that uses dexterity over one that uses strength if it's a more powerful weapon AND strength benefits you much more?

What? I don't understand what you're arguing here. Fighter powers start with strength, then use other abilities for additional benefits. The player picks which abilities they use. While they hypothetically could pick to stat spread themselves between Str/Con/Dex/Wis, they could also choose not.

 

[MyISPHatesENWorld]

It's different, but I like it. Combined with some feats and heavy blade/light blade fighter powers from Fighter multiclass feats, the STR/DEX combo looks good for a Rogue that uses a bastard sword and a dagger or shortsword in his off hand some, most or all of the time.

Two-handed sword, greatsword, bastard sword, whatever...it's a big sword.

And while a ranger (with or without fighter multiclassing) wielding two bastard swords isn't my thing, I'm sure the idea is making someone else as happy as my rogue being able to use a big sword is making me.

I've done a Triple-Lindy off the fence into the 4e pasture. It's kind of nice, as long as you can avoid stepping in piles of mean-spirited fanboi.

 

[KKDragonLord]

Most of the feats, especially the combative ones with weapon specialization flavor require some high atributes from the fighter.
There are types of feats that relate to certain groups of weapons (dont have the books with me right now) these types use either Str and Con or Str and Dex, or some other combination of two atributes, there is even a Str+Wis feat for fighters! I was building a character with no regard to dexterity at all and when i started lookng for feats, i realized that unless i spreaded the attributes around, i would soon run out of options.

So now i am thinking on trying to balance the atribute distribution to not waste points and eventually make my level up attribute gains spread out enough to allow me access to the most requirement intensive feats.

 

[Xorn]

Got through 2 pages and skipped to the end, so I apologize if it's mentioned already.

The comparison is NOT Bastard Sword + Feat vs Greatsword

It's Bastard Sword + Feat vs Greatsword + FEAT.

Even just going with Weapon Focus (Heavy Blade) it's now:

+3 hit 1d10+1 damage vs +2 hit 1d10+1 damage

When you blow a feat to use the Bastard Sword, the Greatsword player gets a feat for something else.

 

[Bolongo]

I asked this in another thread. Do versatile weapons count as two handed when you wield them two handed?

Going strictly by the wordings in the PH, I would say yes. I mean, there's no place it explicitly says "A versatile weapon wielded two handed counts as a two handed weapon for every other rule where it matters," but there's absolutely nothing to hint at the opposite either.