TSR Now it’s WotC’s Turn: WotC Moves Against TSR3

I guess after you provoke somebody enough, they’ll eventually bite back. The company has begun trademark cancellation procedures against the newest TSR.

TSR3 briefly filed for a court declaration on Dec 7th as to their ownership of the TSR trademarks — with an IndieGoGo campaign to fund it — and then voluntarily dismissed it a couple of days later on Dec 9th.

This filing is dated Dec 6th, the day before TSR3 launched its campaign.

In WotC’s response, they cite fraud as one of the causes of action, alleging that TSR3 misled the trademark office in its original application.

Mike Dunford, on Twitter, breaks down the action.

TSR - TSR3.5 Voluntarily Dismisses Lawsuit

A lawsuit filed by TSR3 against D&D owners Wizards of the Coast a few days ago was voluntarily dismissed. Dismissal without prejudice means that the suit can be filed again. The suit lasted two days from the 7th to the 9th of December. The IndieGoGo fundraiser to fund it is still running...

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TSR - TSR3.5 Launches IndieGogo Campaign to "Stop" WotC

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those...

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[UngeheuerLich]

Some movies are so bad, that they are good.. But that is a fine line, and if you don't pass it, then it is just bad.

Or some make the full cycle.

 

[Umbran]

Great bad movies are a whole genre of cinema....

Yeah, the film equivalent of a dog that is so ugly it is cute.

 

[Umbran]

Or some make the full cycle.

Yeah. I am still not sure if Iron Sky does that or not.

 

[LordEntrails]

You're not WRONG but.... it'll be easier to move on with this after he gets what's coming to him in about three weeks.

You have a inaccurate impression on how long legal matters take to resolve. A few more weeks is just for the next step in the process. Expect things to take months, or even dozens of months to resolve.

 

[adamantyr]

You have a inaccurate impression on how long legal matters take to resolve. A few more weeks is just for the next step in the process. Expect things to take months, or even dozens of months to resolve.

Yep. Right now he has to answer the counterclaim by May 4th. Place your bets now that he asks for an extension. And will keep doing so as long as possible.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Yep. Right now he has to answer the counterclaim by May 4th. Place your bets now that he asks for an extension. And will keep doing so as long as possible.

Would that just rack up the costs of the case?

 

[adamantyr]

Would that just rack up the costs of the case?

A good question. I'm still curious to see if their legal team has quit.

 

[Charlaquin]

Great bad movies are a whole genre of cinema....

Generally though, a great bad movie doesn’t set out to be bad. Movies that actively aim for so-bad-its-good usually lack the earnestness that makes a bad movie good, and just end up so-bad-its-terrible. I wouldn’t put Kung Pow in either category. It’s just a good low-brow comedy. If you like low-brow comedy, you’ll probably like Kung Pow. If you don’t like low-brow comedy, you probably won’t like Kung Pow.

 

[Charlaquin]

Would that just rack up the costs of the case?

Psh, that’s futute Justin’s problem.

 

[Fifth Element]

Great bad movies are a whole genre of cinema....

Since "great" and "bad" are entirely subjective, if you think a movie is great, it's a great movie. And that has the advantage of not using terminology that can easily be seen as insulting movies that many people think are great.

 

[Charlaquin]

Since "great" and "bad" are entirely subjective, if you think a movie is great, it's a great movie.

Sure, but I think this misses what’s being implied by calling a movie “so-bad-it’s-good.”

Take The Room, for example - possibly the most iconic good bad movie ever made. I don’t think anyone would call that movie good without a trace of irony. Everything about it from the script to the acting to the cinematography is of extremely amateur quality at best, and totally baffling at worst. And it’s not like Tommy Wiseau was intentionally defying convention to make a statement, he just didn’t know what he was doing. Now, good and bad are subjective, and The Room is widely beloved, so it isn’t wrong to simply call it a good movie. But people who like it tend to call it “so bad it’s good” because language is meant for communication and calling it “so bad its good” communicates something about why people like it that just calling it “good” fails to do

And that has the advantage of not using terminology that can easily be seen as insulting movies that many people think are great.

I don’t think people who like so-bad-it’s-good movies are generally insulted by calling them “bad.” We usually like them because they’re “bad.”

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Take The Room, for example - possibly the most iconic good bad movie ever made. I don’t think anyone would call that movie good without a trace of irony.

A friend of mine and I once watched that and The Creeping Terror back to back to assess which was worse.

Dead heat.

Funny Games was a VERY close third.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Psh, that’s futute Justin’s problem.

May be, depending on how much cover Justin gets from his skirmish line of LLC's but aren't his lawyers concerned or have they bailed?

 

[Deset Gled]

May be, depending on how much cover Justin gets from his skirmish line of LLC's but aren't his lawyers concerned or have they bailed?

His lawyer hasn't changed. I believe they would have to file with the court to be recused if they want to bail, but nothing like that has been filed. Realistically, LaNasa's legal team hasn't racked up that many hours yet. His legal fees certainly aren't cheap, but WotC has spent more than he has.

 

[Bolares]

Since "great" and "bad" are entirely subjective, if you think a movie is great, it's a great movie. And that has the advantage of not using terminology that can easily be seen as insulting movies that many people think are great.

I get you. But I don't agree calling a movie people like bad is insulting....

 

[adamantyr]

And another lawsuit update...
Now they have filed an application for leave to appear pro hac vice. This is to have Russell D. Nugent represent them instead of the local counsel they engaged with to file the lawsuit. (Who is listed as their back-up should the primary not be able to fulfill duties.)
I am no lawyer, so I'll leave the interpretation of this move to others. The fact it's the same law firm they tried to start this with is interesting... Akiva Cohen warned them they should stay away from this case on Twitter.

 

[Sir Brennen]

And another lawsuit update...

Thank the gods. This thread had devolved into Bad Film School 101.

 

[Bolares]

Thank the gods. This thread had devolved into Bad Film School 101.

Yeah, it was a departure from the regular mix of bad law 101 and bad business 101

 

[darjr]

And bad PR 101 and bad editing 101 and bad game design 101

 

[Bolares]

And bad PR 101 and bad editing 101 and bad game design 101

WHAT, I DISAGREE!!! How could there be bad game design when no game was launched?