TSR Now it’s WotC’s Turn: WotC Moves Against TSR3

I guess after you provoke somebody enough, they’ll eventually bite back. The company has begun trademark cancellation procedures against the newest TSR.

TSR3 briefly filed for a court declaration on Dec 7th as to their ownership of the TSR trademarks — with an IndieGoGo campaign to fund it — and then voluntarily dismissed it a couple of days later on Dec 9th.

This filing is dated Dec 6th, the day before TSR3 launched its campaign.

In WotC’s response, they cite fraud as one of the causes of action, alleging that TSR3 misled the trademark office in its original application.

Mike Dunford, on Twitter, breaks down the action.


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Faolyn

(she/her)
Plus they are openly selling items with the TSR logo. Knowing full well there is a lawsuit involving them.

This will not look good at all to a judge or jury.
I can't find the original photos again but... aren't those photos they themselves took (as opposed to photos taken by a patron)? Are they actively flaunting the logo now, or just too short-sighted to have thought about maybe they should move the incriminating evidence out of the way for a few minutes.?

Ah well, it's most likely a bit of both.
 

I can't find the original photos again but... aren't those photos they themselves took (as opposed to photos taken by a patron)? Are they actively flaunting the logo now, or just too short-sighted to have thought about maybe they should move the incriminating evidence out of the way for a few minutes.?

Ah well, it's most likely a bit of both.

The originals come from the DHSM Facebook page.

My guess is that their lawyer said they had to take down the offending logos from the web, but LaNasa figured he was safe to keep selling them at the museum. I'm 90% certain the photos were taken by Ernie, who didn't realize that he had captured anything incriminating.
 



Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
To be clear, they’re bad for different reasons. The Room is like Manos in that they’re bad because the filmmakers didn’t know how to do better. Wiseau was just worse at it. The Creeping Terror would normally fall into the same category as Manos- for example, the landing of the alien spacecraft was created by taking cells of a US a rocket launch, flipping the film L/R, and splicing it in to run in reverse. Except you could easily read the “UƧA“ on the side of the rocket, in big bold, reversed letters, and the rocket exhaust was clearly going backwards into its engines. But it’s OK, everything looked more normal when the alien spacecraft took off at the end of the movie…using the same footage, still flipped to read “UƧA“, but in the correct chronological order.

And if TCT had been released when completed, Manos would probably even be considered worse.

But the studio recognized TCT as the drek it was, and originally shelved it. And so it stayed unreleased for YEARS, until some studio executive decided they might as well make SOME money from the film they’d already paid for. When they checked its condition out, however, they realized they had lost some of the soundtrack. No problem, right? Just re-record the missing parts, right? Except they had lost the original script. Nobody knew what was being said.

At this point, most rational minds would give up and bin the film completely. That didn’t happen.

Instead, they recorded voiceover narratives to fill the gap. Remember, this is without benefit of knowing the actual plot. They just made things up. And the voiceovers they came up with were (fittingly) just as ludicrously bad as the filmed images. Some of it sounded like it had been badly cribbed from 50’s-era health & morality school films.

The end result is a monumental trainwreck.
 
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And another lawsuit update...
Now they have filed an application for leave to appear pro hac vice. This is to have Russell D. Nugent represent them instead of the local counsel they engaged with to file the lawsuit. (Who is listed as their back-up should the primary not be able to fulfill duties.)
I am no lawyer, so I'll leave the interpretation of this move to others. The fact it's the same law firm they tried to start this with is interesting... Akiva Cohen warned them they should stay away from this case on Twitter.

It looks like the Pro Hace Vice has been accepted, and a Magistrate Judge has been assigned. Not a big update, but it's fun to watch Pacer get updated.
 

Faolyn

(she/her)
Manos has bits of creativity, and I give it lots of leeway for being an actual amateur's first attempt. It would be like if some film school student's student film was released -- it isn't good, but you expect that.
Honestly, the most creative thing about Manos is that it involved a middle-aged couple and their kid (and dog) on vacation and not a bunch of high school or college students on vacation.
 

Jer

Legend
Supporter
Honestly, the most creative thing about Manos is that it involved a middle-aged couple and their kid (and dog) on vacation and not a bunch of high school or college students on vacation.
"Middle aged" couple? Diane Adelson was 20-something when the movie was made (I'm thinking it was 22 or 23 IIRC). Warren was in his 40s but he cast a wife who was half his age (making it pretty typical casting :))

I will agree that making it a family rather than a bunch of teens makes a difference. But the amateurishness of the whole movie extends into the lighting and the make-up which serves to make poor Adelson look at least 10 years older than she actually was. (And of course making Jackie Neyman sound 50 years older than she actually was - the dubbing in that movie makes me laugh every time).
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
"Middle aged" couple? Diane Adelson was 20-something when the movie was made (I'm thinking it was 22 or 23 IIRC). Warren was in his 40s but he cast a wife who was half his age (making it pretty typical casting :))

I will agree that making it a family rather than a bunch of teens makes a difference. But the amateurishness of the whole movie extends into the lighting and the make-up which serves to make poor Adelson look at least 10 years older than she actually was.

So, if they make her look 10 years older, isn't that actually supporting the idea that they're supposed to be middle aged?
 


Faolyn

(she/her)
"Middle aged" couple? Diane Adelson was 20-something when the movie was made (I'm thinking it was 22 or 23 IIRC). Warren was in his 40s but he cast a wife who was half his age (making it pretty typical casting :))

I will agree that making it a family rather than a bunch of teens makes a difference. But the amateurishness of the whole movie extends into the lighting and the make-up which serves to make poor Adelson look at least 10 years older than she actually was. (And of course making Jackie Neyman sound 50 years older than she actually was - the dubbing in that movie makes me laugh every time).
As you say, the poor lighting and make-up (and film quality) makes them look older.
 


Bolares

Hero
Considering how poorly I feel post Covid Years + Post 30s, I'm fine calling 30s middle age as I clearly am now in my twilight...
I just turned 30 last year... Until then I could drink 2lts of beer in a night and be fine. Now, If I drink 4 cans I'm dead the next day...
 


Jer

Legend
Supporter
So, if they make her look 10 years older, isn't that actually supporting the idea that they're supposed to be middle aged?
If it was intentional then sure, but it wasn't. It was just a dude making the movie wanting to have his on-screen wife be a 20 year old - probably also so he could get her on screen in her underwear because that was what you needed in a horror movie at the time.

Also I don't think she looks middle aged - she looks like she's in her 30s. If that's middle aged I should be allowed to retire at 50...
 

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