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Or hear me out on this: Just enjoy what you play without telling strangers on the net about it or choosing not to care how or what others play?
I hate how accurate (and unhelpful) this is.
I'd much rather learn how to play from OSRIC as well as using it as a rules reference.
Good luck handing a player in the Year of our Lord 2023 a copy of the AD&D 1E PHB and getting them to read and retain that info. Three pages in and the High Gygaxian made them put it down.
You can always use the "real" books for flavor, stats etc.
I mean, I guess #1 and #3 are a little more understandable for me. I don't really see the "superior" and I'm not excited about "new art"...nobody is going to beat Elmore and Easley, imo. But I can definitely get behind the "new books" part because a lot of my old-school stuff is looking pretty ratty. (Thank goodness for print-on-demand.)How about...
1. Because it has superior layout and organization, being available in beautiful new books with nice new art and/or clearer explanations of the rules (like Old School Essentials, or OSRIC),
or
2. Because it makes some changes to the rules which you actually like (LotFP, Labyrinth Lord, Adventurer Conqueror King, The Nightmares Underneath).
Or
3. Because you like paper rulebooks, and printed books are for it are so cheap you can buy them for your whole table for the cost of one 5th edition hardcover, thus reducing the barrier to entry for your group (BFRPG).
QFT. Good gods are the initiative and combat sections of the DMG ever an atrocious mess. Not to mention the couple of rules which are in the PH for some reason. Or under treasure (the onset times for potions, IIRC?).I'd much rather learn how to play from OSRIC as well as using it as a rules reference.
1. People suck.
2. People suck.
3. People don't understand that New Coke will never be better than Coke Classic.
4. People suck.
why someone would choose a clone over the original,
All that, and...How about...
1. Because it has superior layout and organization, being available in beautiful new books with nice new art and/or clearer explanations of the rules (like Old School Essentials, or OSRIC),
or
2. Because it makes some changes to the rules which you actually like (LotFP, Labyrinth Lord, Adventurer Conqueror King, The Nightmares Underneath).
Or
3. Because you like paper rulebooks, and printed books are for it are so cheap you can buy them for your whole table for the cost of one 5th edition hardcover, thus reducing the barrier to entry for your group (BFRPG).
Sure, but it's far likely to be Robot-RussianWe prefer the term, "Robot-American," thank you very much! No need to sling pejoratives around this thread!
If WotC would make B/X available POD, that would certainly cut into OSE's sales. That being said, have you perused the OSE books? They're beautifully laid out and designed. The control panel layout, the use of the endpapers for reference tables, the clear and concise explanatory language... They're just great.I mean, I guess #1 and #3 are a little more understandable for me. I don't really see the "superior" and I'm not excited about "new art"...nobody is going to beat Elmore and Easley, imo. But I can definitely get behind the "new books" part because a lot of my old-school stuff is looking pretty ratty. (Thank goodness for print-on-demand.)
Thank you. Living through the 80s, I remember what it was like when they made the change and you couldn't get the original (apparently they never truly went back to the original or so I am told but not sure how true that is).
1) Angry ranting can be cathartic, particularly for some who are miserable in other aspects of their livesAll of that is true. But what I'm trying to say is that I can't understand:
- people who enjoy getting upset,
- how someone on the Internet can't understand their experiences aren't universal,
- why someone would choose a clone over the original,
- why someone would create such a bot.
Counterpoint:QFT. Good gods are the initiative and combat sections of the DMG ever an atrocious mess. Not to mention the couple of rules which are in the PH for some reason. Or under treasure (the onset times for potions, IIRC?).
This seems to explain your career path ...Weirdly, I was voted that by my High School Class!
Snarf Zagyg, Most Likely to be Accurate But Unhelpful!
Now you're just describing Snarf!I hate how accurate (and unhelpful) this is.
Yeah, a couple. I went hard on the Castles & Crusades bandwagon back in the day, when 4E was announced and there was that whole PDF kerfuffle. All I really got out of it was the desire to play BECM, and I ended up spending way too much money on eBay getting a copy of the boxed sets.If WotC would make B/X available POD, that would certainly cut into OSE's sales. That being said, have you perused the OSE books? They're beautifully laid out and designed. The control panel layout, the use of the endpapers for reference tables, the clear and concise explanatory language... They're just great.
I'll admit that BECMI/RC is a harder sell for retroclones (especially now that the PDFs are for sale again). That game is not hard to understand, it's organized in a rational way and it doesn't lack content (B/X leaves you out in the cold if you want to go over level 14, domain mgmt etc). If I wanted to play that, yeah I would probably just grab one of my RC's and call it good.Yeah, a couple. I went hard on the Castles & Crusades bandwagon back in the day, when 4E was announced and there was that whole PDF kerfuffle. All I really got out of it was the desire to play BECM, and I ended up spending way too much money on eBay getting a copy of the boxed sets.I still own C&C, but I haven't picked it up in over a decade. I also own a .pdf copy of OSE: Classic Fantasy that I got from DriveThruRPG, but same problem--it only made me want to play the original BECM rules.
My only complaint about the Rules Cyclopedia is the artwork. I really, really wish they had included the original artwork from Elmore and Easley, because those images are so iconic and nostalgic for me.I'll admit that BECMI/RC is a harder sell for retroclones (especially now that the PDFs are for sale again). That game is not hard to understand, it's organized in a rational way and it doesn't lack content (B/X leaves you out in the cold if you want to go over level 14, domain mgmt etc). If I wanted to play that, yeah I would probably just grab one of my RC's and call it good.
Using model railroad pieces in Ho scale