The misbegotten waif thread a/k/a The Fray

[HolyMan]

hmmm... So your saying he followed the "Way of the Leif" like from the Wheel of Time series??

And this fighter was 3e right no way you can build a pacifist in 4e, trust me I tired...

Norian Brightsoul

HM

 

[Walking Dad]

Sorry, but in all my experience in looking at 4e and having my eyes gloss over, I haven't seen there be any hints at having the ability to make a fighter that is so utterly useless in combat* that your group/DM does a collective facepalm when they look over your character sheet.



*While using their full capabilities that is.

Yes you can. Use this ability spread (22 pb):

Str: 8
Con: 10
Dex: 13
Int: 18
Wis: 10
Cha: 13

Wear a chainmail, a heavy shield and a mace. (he will be encumbered by heavy load)
Take powers that require either 1 hand free or a two handed weapon.

hmmm... So your saying he followed the "Way of the Leif" like from the Wheel of Time series??

And this fighter was 3e right no way you can build a pacifist in 4e, trust me I tired...

Norian Brightsoul

HM

How do you build a pacifist in 3,5? A caster that buffs and heals the others so they can slay more? An enchanter who violates the mind of his enemies?

Pacifism is about the ability to fight, but to choose not to do it. You can as easily refuse each round to attack in 4e an in 3.5. But 4e has a skill challenge system so you can play/roll out the talk during the combat.

 

[renau1g]

Don't want to offend I just see more in 3e for building a character. I mean I can build a swashbukler, northland savage, or even a dirty streetfighter type so much easier in 3e.

HM

And yet no matter what build you go with its I walk up and hit him.

The grappler fighter in Martial Power 2 has one hand free so he can make lots of grab and pin attacks. Really neat concept and as he levels up there are powers to grab two foes at once.

Northland Savage is easily replicated by grabbing one of the two-handed weapons and focusing on the attacks like Brash Strike or Wicked Strike

Swashbuckler may be harder to recreate, Rogue would be a better fit, but there's nothing stopping you from grabbing a rapier, going for a higher dex and light armor. There's powers like Shield Feint that could be re-flavored to something more swashbuckler-y.

 

[renau1g]

no way you can build a pacifist in 4e, trust me I tired...

HM

[MENTION=13739]Velmont[/MENTION] & I would likely disagree with you:

LEBC:River (Velmont) - ENWorld Living Eberron Wiki

River's a pacifist but he's been an amazing character and a pain in my butt (which is definitely a good thing for the group).

 

[Scott DeWar]

They can be when you intentionally build them to suck for "rp" reasons.

For instance, I once saw a pacifist fighter who used a SAP out of all weapons since he refused to kill while spending most of his fighter feats to by certain craptastic exotic weapons (bola and net anyone?) because "weapon proficiencies should count as combat feats."

Now, I know what you're saying, he's a fighter he could still be a meat shield. However, he would refuse to fight and chided the group for getting involved in combat vs "EVIL cannon fodder race X, Y ,and Z"

That was a problem with the player, not the class. You can be abusive of any class in any system if you try hard enough. Or as the axiom states: nothing is ever fool proof, for as soon as it is made, one will come along and prove you wrong.

 

[Leif]

nothing is ever fool proof, for as soon as it is made, one will come along and prove you wrong.

And DeWar is a prime example of this!

(That's why we luv him, I guess.)

 

[DistractingFlare]

I prefer 4e, personally. I feel that it's more properly balanced and much (read: much much much) easier to teach new players. Of course, your opinions may vary, and I utterly respect that. 3e is indeed a wonderful edition, but not my cup of tea.

Oh. We're supposed to be angry?

THIRD EDITION SUCKS. I HATE IT. EVERYTHING RELATED TO IT IS HORRIBLE. ANYTHING THAT EVEN REMOTELY REMINDS ME OF IT SHOULD BE BURNED.

 

[Relique du Madde]

You know, as strange as it sounds, it's sort of weird how I haven't seen any real edition warring between Mutanrs and Masterminds 2e and 3e/DCA. But then again, I seen plenty of OMFG! IMPERIOUS TOUGHNESS BEEN NERFED TO HELL!!!! and WTF!? KNOCK BACK'S A COMPLICATION!?!? I WANT TO PUNCH THE BADGUY AND HAVE HIM FLY A MILE!! comments.

 

[HolyMan]

I prefer 4e, personally. I feel that it's more properly balanced and much (read: much much much) easier to teach new players. Of course, your opinions may vary, and I utterly respect that. 3e is indeed a wonderful edition, but not my cup of tea.

Oh. We're supposed to be angry?

THIRD EDITION SUCKS. I HATE IT. EVERYTHING RELATED TO IT IS HORRIBLE. ANYTHING THAT EVEN REMOTELY REMINDS ME OF IT SHOULD BE BURNED.

LOL HEY QUIT YELLING AT US!!

I think they did gear 4e towards the younger crowd and you know kids these days hard to teach them anything that doesn't have buttons attached to it. LOL

HM

 

[ethandrew]

My opinion, which I typically charge for so consider yourselves lucky, is that there are areas where each edition shines where the other doesn't, and determining which edition you prefer is based on where your joy gaming derives from. While I enjoy tactical aspects of combat, an area where 4e excels at, my true pleasure comes from the PC and the myriad of customizations a character can undergo, which is why I prefer 3.5.

And for the anger aspect, I'll kick a couple kittens and puppies tonight, that should suffice.